Sunday, June 19, 2005

Beating the Competition

It was an interesting weekend for the Oregonian - especially (as noted several times) for the sports team. Friday morning the Sports Headline screamed the Blazers had a new coach. Later in the day, the Blazers made clear on most of the broadcast outlets the Oregonian blew it.

On Saturday, the O's public editor, Michael Arrietta-Walden, in a rare non-Sunday column, took the sports team (especially John Canzano and Jason Quick) to task for the scoop that wasn't true - yet. That was in the same paper as Canzano's effort to explain how he got the story wrong.

Considering that the Trib doesn't publish again until Tuesday, TV and Radio news departments don't really do sports anymore, was he worried about getting scooped by KFXX?

The O got clobbered by the Willamette Week on Goldschmidt, is paranoid about the Trib and Francke - is that why it was rushed to the paper without enough corroboration? Oregonian folks - what really went down?

We all love to be first - but shouldn't we be right?

39 Comments:

Anonymous Bill McDonald said...

John Canzano’s column about trading places with Blazer exec. Nash and wearing his bathrobe around his house was as creepy as he’s gotten since he was taking bodily fluids from Damon Stoudamire.

Monday, June 20, 2005 7:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think the paper was trying to beat Stephen A. Smith and the rest of the national press, not the locals, with its coaching "scoop." which wasn't much of a scoop really, even if true. they'd already written that Casey and Iavaronni (sp?) were the finalists, if they couldn't get McMillan (sp?) from Seattle, right? Casey goes to the T-Wolves, and only two alternatives remain. If your trusted anonymous source says it's I., it's fairly easy to believe it, given that M. is highly likely to stay in Seattle. Why expose yourself for logic this elementary when there's always a third alternative: the blazers could change their "minds" ? It doesn't make sense.

Monday, June 20, 2005 8:48:00 AM  
Blogger Ruben Bailey said...

Semi-off topic....

Who's the O's New Biz Editor?

Monday, June 20, 2005 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ben Santarris, till now second-in-command in biz and formerly editor of the tech section in biz

Monday, June 20, 2005 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My question is simply:

WHO CARES ABOUT FRANCKE? He's dead. Leave him that way.

Seems to me that the Trib, et al, is trying to create a story that a) is older than old, b) few people care about, and c) is filled with shaky sources, and iffy information as a result...

Monday, June 20, 2005 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark Hester, the new sports editor, has his work cut out. Resurrecting an incoherent section whose only asset is that it comes out every day.

Hester needs to make the section a must-read for sports FANS, not an attempt to attract readers who ordinarily don't care about sports. That means hard news, not a lot of features and "lighter side" crap. For example, I don't care to read lengthy, self-indulgent Ryan White discourses on how and why he voted in the weekly AP football poll. Secondly, they seem to waste a lot of space on Page 2 every day for stuff that is largely nonsense.

I mean, The Columbian in Vancouver has a better-organized, more-relevant sports section, which would be embarrassing to The O if it weren't so busy spewing its garbage about how "authoritative" it is. Too bad I can't get The C delivered on this side of the ditch.

Of course, the Oregonian's real problem is credibility, or should I say, whatever shreds it might have left. Speaking personally, my first questions when I read a staff story in The Oregonian are: "Is this true? Did this really happen? And, if so, did it happen this way?"

Unfortunately, The Oregonian has itself made that question necessary.

Monday, June 20, 2005 1:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHO CARES ABOUT FRANCKE? He's dead. Leave him that way.

Yeah! I mean, who gives a crud if someone was wrongly convicted of his murder!

Monday, June 20, 2005 1:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if that someone was you, i think you might. chalk one up to the flowering of the MTV generation.

Monday, June 20, 2005 2:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Oregonian consistently gets things wrong -- look at a certain biz writer for instance...

Monday, June 20, 2005 3:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the Oregonian's biggest problem is its arrogance.

Monday, June 20, 2005 3:43:00 PM  
Anonymous decaf said...

Ok, 3:40, maybe you can't name names, but give us another clue, wouldja?

Monday, June 20, 2005 5:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE; Iavaroni/Oregonian.
What has happened to reporting the news, instead of making it? Why is that considered underachieving these days? Scoops are admired a lot more by us geeks in the industry than by the readers, viewers, and listeners out there.
That said, I think we all knew--I certainly did--that Iavaronia was being considered for the job. I spoke with him myself--before the O's article-- and he said the situation was exactly as it's turned out to be at this point; He spoke with the Evil Empire at One Center Court, but that was it.
Not worthy of further mention since our orgnaization had already disseminated that information prior to the conversation. There was nothing new to report. I guess given the fact that the "O" thought they had more explains their article..but God Damn it! Let's wait until the Blazers tell us who they've hired, then tell it to those who patronize our particular mediums..O.K. ???

Monday, June 20, 2005 8:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Secondly, they seem to waste a lot of space on Page 2 every day for stuff that is largely nonsense."

Um. It's sports. It's all largely nonsense.

Monday, June 20, 2005 9:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, it's like waiting for the white smoke from the Sistine Chapel. Only difference is that nobody really gives a damn. Let something happen, then report it.

Monday, June 20, 2005 9:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous at 9:48 said:
Um. It's sports. It's all largely nonsense..

Jay-sus, have you read any readership studies lately? Most folks don't pick up their local rag cuz the arts coverage is so damned hip. Ya might wanna get a checkup from the neck up, pal.

And the reason The O wants to be first is this stupid idea in that newsroom that they gotta spin everything forward, i.e. tell the reader what's gonna happen before it does. Cept they ain't that smart, which is why they keep puttin their foot in their mouth. P. Bhatia might THINK it's just part of being aggressive journalists, but us unwashed out here think it's just part of being arrogant fools. O'course, what do we know? We ain't big-time media creeps.

Problem with the O -- and just about ALL media -- is they all about as educated as can be but most got no clue about what's going on.

It's a business of big heads and small minds.

Monday, June 20, 2005 10:36:00 PM  
Blogger Musings Guy said...

As an aside, Jason Quick might be the worst beat writer in the US, period.

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know the journalists types consider sports irrelevant, but as some that reads the news instead of some who reports the news, I probably won’t bother buying a paper if it sports weren’t included.

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't all men read the sports section first? I do.
Of course, all that outdoors stuff isn't sports.

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:40 here.
I covered real estate for awhile and my sources were constantly complaining about said biz reporter continually getting important details wrong and writing one-sided articles -- e.g. he'd write about the seller and not the buyer on huge transactions, etc. One of my sources said she wasn't sure if he was really dumb or playing dumb to try to get info. This is why other biz papers usually scoop the O sometimes...

Unlike Spencer, who can be a real pro.

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to cover a wrongful conviction, cover it, but the Francke story is being pumped up as the next breaking news conspiracy ala Fox, when it's really a storm in a teacup. Even Stanford admitted (indirectly) today that a lot of people are completely uninterested in his column's scandalmaking... "Don't tell me folks out there aren't interested in the 16-year-old Francke murder case", and then citing website traffic in today's iteration. How many of those hits are referrer-spammers, or script kitties? I doubt that 16,000 people beat the Website doors clamoring for more information.

Cover the story, Phil, don't invent it.

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who used to work for the Oregon Department of Corrections (ODOC), I can honestly say the Francke story is worth reporting. The problem is corruption that was in the ODOC back in the early 1990 is no longer present today (at least not to the same extent). The sad fact is that someone is in prison who more than likely did not commit the crime and everyone else that was scaming the state has long since been allowed to move on.

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jason Quick, to those here who are complaining about his skills, is a very, very good writer for the Blazers. Beseda is kinda sloppy. And for those who complain about Canzano (and he has his strange bodily fluid moments), I present to you the one word that should strike fear into the hearts of those who care.....Culpepper. Yikes!

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jason is a good guy and good writer. This was simply the case of Jason and Canzano trying to stick it to the Blazers and rain on their parade. Patterson and the Oregonian have had an acrimonious relationship. He has stormed into the offices kicking and screaming, He has also had a closed door meeting in which he berated Jason about some stories he has written. The relationship between the Blazers and the Oregonian is terrible and won't get better until Patterson leaves or is fired as team president.

Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...or if The O decides that it won't run with stuff it can't fully verify.

Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This tiff between the O and the Blazers is funny in light of the fact that nobody cares about the Blazers anymore.

Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone had the ability to see and report the true significance of the Francke case, he or she could win every prize in journalism. How the defense handled Gable's representation is key, whether he, in fact, was involved or not. Questionable rulings allowed to stand, manipulative jury instructions; it is known as "dumptrucking: throwing your own case for "the greater good". And I think it is an open question as to how much of the corruption Francke knew about remains. As for the O, if employees could be hooked up to get a shock in the groin everytime they play dumb, treat others as dumb, behave arrogantly, lie, or uphold the mainline clique, things would change. And quickly!

Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The bottom line on the Blazers vs. "O" thing is that Canzano is a straight knucklehead. I know many people who have stopped reading the sports page for fear they are going to glance over at a piece of literary garbage written by this fool. How many times do we have to read about his hate for Sheed or what he would like to stick in Nash's horses mouths?

The "O" blew the story and hopefully they will learn to become reactive and not make up their own BS stories to fill the pages.

Final Note - 10:36PM guy...dont talk about how uneducated "media" is and then use phrases yourself like "O'Course" and "check up from the neck up."

Sunday, June 26, 2005 1:13:00 PM  
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