Sunday, June 26, 2005

One More Thing...

I know it's an economic issue.

Notice how all the media websites right now (Sunday - 4pm) sans Oregon Live, are stuck on old news - KOIN, KATU and the radio sites all lead with Friday's news. KGW and KPTV at least have the earthquake from early Saturday morning, on its sites.

If anyone wanted to market themselves as a true 24 hour, updated, news and information outlet, they'd have a huge upper hand.

As it is, sleepy Portland continues to have sleepy news operations not interested in feeding those who don't get their news in a traditional way.

And we wonder why we're losing viewers, listeners and readers.

20 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It takes a major commitment to staff a website 24-7. Most shops struggle to put a decent newscast together on the weekends, repeating the first 30 minutes twice at 5-7pm. KGW, KATU, and KPTV all do morning shows, as well.

If you look at the revenue stream for broadcast, and compare it to websites, most stations are subsidizing the on-line effort as it stands.

Those who read and post here are more in tune with online services, and perhaps more sensitive to the shortcomings on web-based news sites. But the average weekend TV viewer may not be as enthusiastic about it. Too bad.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:49:00 PM  
Blogger PDXMediaWatcher said...

As in, too bad for those consumers, or it's too bad they don't think it a significant part of their brand?

Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Portland Independent Media (and syndicate-style associates, __name_of_city__ (dot) indymedia (dot) org ), simply beats mainstream media for freshness and thoroughness. Also random radical stuff is in it to avoid, but no worse than trolls on blogs and a small amount of stupid and weird is not asking too much to put up with for the much larger amount of good stuff.

Yeah, the bloggers all try to ignore or stigmatize Portland.Indymedia.org but the news product speaks well for itself and the bloggers come off sounding jealous or 'sour grapes' in their put-downs.

Mostly people judge for themselves. Try the indymedia syndicate for a week. Read (watch, listen to) what mainstream media mostly blacks out and censors. See if you begin to wonder how much you and all of us have been lied to.

Or don't go there, don't try it, don't know what you're talking about and reject it because corporate bosses and toadies told you to.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 6:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indymedia? Ha ha. Reject the corporate whore and instead suck on the teat of the radical left whore.

Try to post anything but singing to the choir claptrap and see what happens.

Indymedia is anything but. The sad thing is that college students are so disconnected from the media .. or the media are so disconnected from students .. that they believe the tripe that is posted on indymedia.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a decent suggestion up there, though...go to indymedia, weed out the trolls, see what you can find. There's some interesting reading..sort of like Mother Jones or old Rolling Stone. Throw out most of it, the Art-Bell-of-the-Left stuff, and there's some good reading. But don't bother posting, you'll get torched by trolls.

And to the poster who said we're being ordered by corporate to hush stuff up, or whatever...every single one of us in the MSM will tell you...that ain't how it works. You've just got to get it on our radar.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poster above said you have to use your own personal filter when reading indy-media (as with virtually anything on the Web). You see extreme articles posted, but then dismiss the entire site.

I also find it that interesting that any independent media (free of the corporate teat) has been dismissed here as radical left wing tripe. Yes it is left, but I could use the same logic to dismiss the MSM since virtually everything that gets on the air is packaged based on economics (go look at the lead story on cnn.com.. then look at "more news" links).

I think it is just reinforcing the economic restraints that taints MSM.

The basic point still stands: there are legitimate stories that appear on Indymedia that the MSM won't touch.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Simp said...

Interesting, from the Pew Research center, released today:Public More Critical of Press, But Goodwill Persists

Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is possible to update a website throughout the weekend without it breaking a budget - especially when you can do so outside an office environment. It'd take an hour or so each morning; a perfect job for a college intern.

And if you don't to do it manually? Plug into a decent feed or two; automate the process.

But if you want viewers to use your website as an alternate source of timely news, you have to commit to the process 7 days a week - otherwise, your viewers won't take you seriously.

Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go on arguing amongst yourselves what lefties know and what Bush bitches know.

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Monday, June 27, 2005 1:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Independent", hah! So who's the real money behind IWT news anyway? Why do I get the feeling that the above posting is just one of many techniques we'll be subjected to in the coming weeks to pump up what is very likely another agenda-driven propaganda outlet. Just can't bring myself to look to the drama club alumni for political, social, moral or any other kind of guidance.

Monday, June 27, 2005 9:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no such thing as a news outlet without an agenda.

Monday, June 27, 2005 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Simp said...

There is no such thing as a news outlet without an agenda.

I agree in general, however The Newshour does pretty well in hiding its agenda :)

Monday, June 27, 2005 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI... KGW usually has a web staffer on the weekend. But the station is currently short-staffed in that dept.

Monday, June 27, 2005 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is exactly the point of the first poster. Not a High Priority.
TV Newscasts come first. Sure you could trust your weekend content to a college intern. You could also hire college interns to fill in for vacations, overnights, etc.

Where to you draw the line? Are you committed to your product? Do you care about quality? Do your regular staff want to spend time on weekends updating the page from home? For pay? For free? Where will the content be generated, checked, confirmed?

Commitment!

Monday, June 27, 2005 3:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Alan DeWitt said...

It should be clear that I'm no fan of MSM, but I have used indymedia as it exists enough to know that it is only a small part of The Answer. (I comment there a few times a month, but not under my real name.)

I think that Indymedia's value as a serious news outlet is crippled by the completely unauthenticated pseudonymity of posters. There is very little editorial control, and neither article authors nor commentors need stand behind their work. As a result, all sorts of wacky conspiracy stuff gets posted and vigorously defended in the face of all reason and evidence. (Chemtrails, anyone?) It's a good place to find tips and leads, but a horrible place to find reliable information. There is good stuff on indymedia, but it's usually submerged in the crapflood.

That said, it is kinda nice that a place exists where anyone can publish anything pretty much anonymously. It's a valuable experiment in applied democracy... but it sure ain't Jim Lehrer.

As for weekend web staffing, letting the website sit idle instead of being updated by an intern is hardly an improvement in overall quality. Sure, you reduce the risk of throwing a stinker, but you won't gain any weekend pageviews at all once people figure out you're idle 2 days out of 7. If you want people to use your web presence as a news source during the week, you're going to need to serve them during the weekend, too. It doesn't need to be expensive, especially if you (gasp!) crosslink to your competitors' websites. (Remember, you're all on the same ship. Cooperation might keep it from sinking.)

Monday, June 27, 2005 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"especially if you (gasp!) crosslink to your competitors' websites."

You've gotta be kidding! Why not just send one TV crew to every story, and Pool it?????

Come on!

Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Alan DeWitt said...

That's a good idea. For all stories out of your broadcast area, y'all could save a ton of money by pooling video (or leaning on network affiliates) instead of each sending field units thousands of miles for a few minutes of video. Portland citizens would not be well served by sending three local satellite trucks to cover an out-of-state trial, would they?

But I'm talking about websites, not broadcasts. A TV station's website is closer to a print medium than a broadcast medium. I think that the website visitor is after information, and generally doesn't give a rat's arse about who scooped who. On the web, completeness and timeliness are probably more valuable than uniqueness or branding. If your station doesn't have a particular story on the web yet and someone else does, why not link it until you get your own content? If your site is the one that people can find ALL the local stories on, guess where people will look first for local information?

Cross-link effectively enough, and I bet you'll find that it's your competitors that complain about it loudest.

Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At NewsHour, the agenda is journalism (although the elevation of radical right-wing fanatics at CPB will undermine it).

Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:28:00 PM  
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