Wednesday, June 15, 2005

Talk, talk, zzzzzzzzz

Ladies and gentlemen....

In this corner, not having the pipes nor the juice to wake anyone, Thom Hartman, Joe Uris and anyone else KBOO can prop up on the mike and Randy Leonard on Sunday (when no one is listening).

In the other corner, it's Lars and Victoria and Larry George w/Randy (when no one is listening) with enough wind to make the Willamette a windsurfing mecca.

Other than that, it's right wing radio in a left-leaning town. How does that make any sense?

Inside the station, Lars is the 800 lb. gorilla, bullying Sweet Baby James and anyone else who dare to think his "news" doesn't deserve a spot on the top and bottom of the hour newscasts. Ask anyone old or new at KXL how much Lars drives the bus. He thinks his "scoops" should lead 'em (un-fair and un-balanced). And unfortunately, he may take the talented Heidi Tauber with him.

At KPAM, Victoria does her Lars act, acting all outraged when this liberal does that. But she hardly makes a dent in the political world.

Then there's Thom the Tanked Engine. He's not long for this world because he's not shown anything that made it worth taking Morning Sedition off the air (and onto weekend re-runs).

Talk in this town is pathetic and predictable - and even though the Sunday guys (yes I've heard them heading into a weekend shift) play closer to the middle, we're in a wasteland.

How many of you are heading to Best Buy for that XM radio?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

XM or Sirius. Not much of a difference really. I actually listened to Rush the other day. Stunned to hear the pitch of his voice much higher than it was before he got hooked on Oxycontin, signed a $250 million dollar contract w/o telling his employer he was losing his hearing because of his addiction and then he tells us about moral values. So..about

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KPAM? Victoria? Is that a radio station?

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally, I'll take Mike Malloy...his rants bring a smile to my face.

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are lumping Heidi Tauber in with Lars? She works with Thom Hartman at KPOJ. Did I miss something??

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lars is Tillamook's other cheese export.

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What most people don't understand is that the more community leaders lean to the left--socialism, spending with a lack of accountability, etc.-- the stronger the right wing talk will be. It's called polarization, and if things weren't so skewed to the "communal" left around PDX, then Lars would be out of a job. Let's face it--in this city, the more money you make, with YOUR own talent, skill, and bility, the more you're bled dry by the gov't. And no. i'm don't march in lock-step with Lars; I'm just a guy who started with nothing, and wants to keep some of what i've gained through hard work and education.

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous YouGo said...

Lars is a pompus, arrogant, jerk. He doesnt do any research into the crap he spouts off about and is wrong half the time. I REALLY dont like him!

Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe Uris is still alive? Last I heard of him he was advocating the outlawing of leaf blowers. Too noisy.

The reason Lars is such a big deal is that conservatives have nowhere to go locally. There's Rush and Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity and Larry Elder and that Savage guy in syndication, but locally?

Speaking as someone who has listened to Portland talk radio since Dick Klinger was doing Nightline on the old KPOJ (1330) and KKEY (1150) was the only all-talk station in town (although some of the hosts were hideously bad), I can say that Lars is the best local talk show host this city has ever seen.

Not because of his opinions, which I don't really care about, but because his show is the only one that has any real energy. Everyone else sounds tired, burned out, phony, or all three.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:11:00 AM  
Blogger PDXMediaWatcher said...

My point was that Heidi Tauber has now linked herself to a point a view, which either means she's ready for her own talk show that leans to the left (which I'd prefer vs. Thom who does nothing for me and lots of others) or she's done being a news reporter.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lay off Thom Hartman. He actually knows what he's talking about unlike most in the media. He has a firm grasp on history and brings a respected voice to the morning. He is calm enough to grab the OPB crowd as that orgainization dies with its parent.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hartman is a very intelligent, well-informed, with a huge amount of facts at his disposal. He's also passtionate about what he's talking about. He's just boring. And he doesn't really connect, emotionally. I find myself drifting over to the comedy station.
Air America/Ed Schultz shows are built on a combination of politics AND entertaining (read: funny) hosts. Thom isn't funny. And not very entertaining, even though he tried hard and I agree with him pretty much across the board.
Anybody who can listen to Lars for more than 10 minutes has taken leave of his senses.
To the "hard worker".... "I got mine, don't worry about his," is the start of all our problems, not the solution. The conservatives would just as soon see your hard work be swallowed up by a corporation and you under a bridge, believe me.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Lars Larson Show" is on its last gasp... two more cities have cancelled the "locked and loaded" one... and the only people paying cash to run ads on his show are the penis patch people!

That death rattle you hear is Lars... as his third (or is it fourth?) Internet bride wonders... what happened? No wonder he moved to Vancouver... he couldn't afford Oregon's low low taxes!

Meantime, Paul Allen gets the weekly Arbies faxed to his yacht and thinks... All Elvis, All the Time???

Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a long time consumer of what passes for journalism in this town I gotta say that many of the preceding comments here just reinforce a perspective that, for most of the folks involved with local media, anything other than a liberal perspective is to be scorned. I listen to a fair amount of talk radio over the course of the week (on both sides of the culture gap) and it seems to me that the so-called progressive" stations are filled with as much, if not more, venality, character assasination and outright historical ignorance as those on the right.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just want to point out that KPOJ is killing in the demo. It's ranked #5, while KEX and KXL are #10 and #13, respectively.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hartman and Tauber sound like kids sitting around the lunchroom talking about teachers they don't like. Never an original idea. No insight. Dreadful.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I admire Hartman's intelligence and the depth he brings to most topics. But the show really isn't a morning-drive show. I wasn't that keen on "Morning Sedition," but it at least tried for a morning-drive feel.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should Hartman add some fart jokes to get the morning drive time listeners? The guy is a great alternative for the OPB crowd.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:56:00 PM  
Blogger lisaloving said...

I keep looking for a place here on The Insider to bring up (in a non-combative tone) the radically different goals of commercial media vs. noncommercial media (i.e. Lars vs. KBOO), as well as the vastly diverging rules we face as per the FCC. This may not be that place.

But just let me say, I don't think the commercial media folks realize what a straightjacket is imposed by FCC regulations on the growth and development of the few KBOOs that remain nationwide (and it looks like the Republicans are seriously gunning for all the OPBs out there, too).

In many ways, comparing KBOO to KPAM at el. is like comparing apples to oranges. KBOO's mission statement mandates that the station "give voice to the voiceless," however that may be interpreted by staff and programmers. The station's mandate is not to "kill during drive time," nor is it to maximize anybody's profit. This is ALTERNATIVE MEDIA.

Within that niche, believe it or not, we kick butt. We are part of a national, independent news syndicate, which we helped to build. KBOO's talk radio, whether you like it or not, features guests who are local political activists who NEVER GET AIR TIME ON HAPPY GOOD DAY OREGON, or whatever it's called. We also get folks on the air like Molly Ivins, Daniel Ellsberg -- Dennis Kucinich was live on talk radio just last week. And no adds for pharmaceutical drugs, luxury homes or used cars. Thank you, God.

BTW, contrary to popular belief, KBOO producers include Christians, Republicans, and carnivores. A few months back I heard an African American Republican interviewing the PR flack from the Dorchester Conference, who cheerfully invited all KBOO listeners down to Seaside for the weekend.

We have our own limitations that are different from yours. Some time I really wish we could get to the level of talking about these things more in depth, and without the insults (which I'm guilty of as well -- apologies to all). Example: Our station appears to be continually harassed by conservative church groups who, it seems, have deliberately targeted us with FCC complaints (with the new rules on FCC fines, we could lose our entire yearly operating budget over one infraction -- literally ONE BAD WORD). Does that happen to you guys too? (Maybe it does...I'd love to hear about it.)

What are those FCC rules? How do they compare and contrast with the rules you guys live with? That is what's really interesting. Not whichever talking hairdo should host the 4:45 p.m. "it-bleeds-it-leads" broadcast. Guys, no offense, but really, only you care about that.

The story on the cover of the NYT today, about investigations into consultants hired by the CPB's Republican Chairman, Kenneth Y. Tomlinson -- shades of the Portland Development Commission! -- now THAT'S what matters. Did you all hear that psycho commentary last night on NPR by the Heritage Foundation?

But the denizens of tiny KBOO-land, by and large, feel the same way about commercial media as commercial media feels about them: 1) Commercial media is unfair and unbalanced as a rule, 2) Just the sound of it makes peoples' ears bleed.

And I tell you what; when your adorable child's original artwork goes on display at the Village Building Convergence in your neighborhood, she's going to be interviewed for 30 minutes by Julie Bernard on Art Focus. That is not going to happen anywhere else.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Potential for a great thread, but has turned into the perfect example of what is wrong with the media "insiders".

Some of you are so freaking stuck in your preconcieved notions and allow your POV to obscure your objectivity. As was suggested yesterday, get out in the community and talk to people instead of each other on occasion. Its nice. Really.

I've listend to Portland talk radio since '89. There where 2 main local "left" and "right" hosts at the time. For the life of me I can't remember their names. Though I remember the one on the right's favorite phrase to use was "Prince Commrade Blumenauer"

I miss Bill Gallagher's "Terribly Terrific Trivia"

I'm biased, I tend to listen to things that reinforce my PoV (as most do) but listen all over the dial). I listen for content. I could care less about "morning-drive feel" or humor. I'm looking for information, interviews and commentary. While Ed Schultz seems to have widespread "real guy" appeal. I don't care for him much. Doesn't interview well, doesn't have a good enough command of facts to counter-argue a point. Though he does have a malleable POV.

Lately Thom Hartman has won me over. Breadth of knowledge and facts (though of course not factually correct all the time) He tends to talk over callers a bit too much and he and Heidi need more time to get their groove. But Thom interviews quite well and has secured some great inteviews. (not to mention some of the best coverage of the Burnside Bridgehead project that I've seen outside of the net).

Lars is...well Lars. He has peaked but he is just downright looney at times.. and that may be enough to keep his hard core audience.. though securing ad revenue is another question.

Anon @ 11:25:
"he more community leaders lean to the left--socialism, spending with a lack of accountability, etc.-- the stronger the right wing talk will be"

Well that obviously explains the overwhelming preponderance of progressive voices in the MSM on a national level, eh?

this city, the more money you make, with YOUR own talent, skill, and bility, the more you're bled dry by the gov't

So the community that provides the structures that allow you.... oh screw it.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a very wide area between boring radio and fart jokes. Anybody who thinks it's either/or is not making a very strong argument.
Al Franken does not make fart jokes. Nor does anyone else on KPOJ, and they're all mostly entertaining as well as political.
And KPOJ and OPB are two different animals.
The funny thing is, when KPAM was first being programmed, the "wisdom" there was that they were going after OPB listeners. They neither got them, nor did anything to attract them. Remember those awful ads when they went on the air.
I guess their fallback position was to attract those who like right-wing yapping poodles.
Hey, I'm happy as punch that KPOJ is killing, and I wish nothing but the best for Hartman. I admire his mind, I just find him hard to listen to.
OK, I'll admit it. I miss Imus (at his old time).

Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, what Anon11:13 said, the remedy for rightwing brainwashing is not anti-rightwing brainwashing, (like the remedy for tobacco infomercialism is not anti-tobacco infomercialism), the true remedy is: ban politics-selling paid broadcast, (ban tobacco-selling paid broadcast).
Probably "weekly Arbies" is not what Talk Radio achieves. Instead, it's different -- not for the mass of its audience but for the sass of its audience. It's for (non-conforming) people who demand to talk back to one-way broadcasting, (and maybe that's a community right because it's the public's air). Two-way talk can be informative and maybe insures domestic tranquility to vent certain people's pent-up 'say.' (Why do papers have Letters to the Editor anyway? They don't have to.)

Liars 'Lars puts the I in Liars' Larson, of course, puts corks in people and they are going to explode eventually. KBOO and Hartmann lets anyone sorta say anything and shows better effect: gentle people.

Media types here should hate Liars -- for being the one watching Ch.12 helicopter live-feed of SWAT on site, saying the address on the radio (into cars with drivers who can drive there, unlike TV's audience or treatment), converging public on-lookers where Weibal (if misspelled, I am sorry) was killed, causing the local media prohibitions on helicopter live-feeds. Liars's anti-social community-hating irresponsibility injured you'all.

Hartmann, I got qualms about. His other detracters (commenting here) indicate he is over their heads. Hey, if you got no words or thoughts to 'fire back' of his caliber, tune your dial to infantile O'Reilly. My worry is Hartmann is a CIA plant -- damn he's travelled the world, damn he's smart, damn his rolodex 'gets' every local biggie -- infiltrated (like a sting operation) and co-opting CIA/militarism opposition into 'safe' ineffective half-steps; taking names and reporting back the early warnings that undercover presumably finds; and diffusing populist anti-militarism retaliation (income tax refusenik movements, for example), by pre-empting discussion groups among 'those people,' (community-minded, anti-nationalistic, self-governing citizens favoring Officers of the Peace but opposing surveillance Police State law enFORCEment -- you know, "those people").
When Hartmann goes to the topic of defunding the CIA, (which has never pre-warned us of anything and prevented trouble -- Paul Revere did better; CIA involvement started and cause trouble in every 'war' and 'rebel uprising' and 'disturbance' world-wide since its founding after WW II -- the all-time makework, publicmoney paycheck-justifying featherbedding there ever was; [before you think you know more than what I'm talking about, read this: The Secret Team we pay for ... reading, what a concept!], and why can't we all see top secret spy satellite photos? -- we pay for them and vigilance is our own duty for our own liberty, what's so secret? what's the earth got to hide?), and when Hartmann goes to publicly consider such mil/indust-reformation ideas then I can go to reconsider my trained circumspect anti-kneejerk-"amen" nature.

Comparatively, Liars is too stupid to be a community liability, except to his co-workers in the media community.

Valuable political discourse is on KBOO, [OPB: R.I.P. -- Republicans Its Persecutors], and but 'buyer beware' -- the gold nuggets and the goof balls are intermixed in the schedule.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didn't Portland have any Bush shill paid media propagandists like Armstrong Williams or something. PDX can't get no respect. And where's the hundreds of them they said were being paid like that, or is Armstrong Williams and Maggie Whatsername in the top tier and the most influential best ones Bushies could buy?

Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every minute you spend listening to Lars, your IQ goes down 1 point. He is stupifyingly simplistic. You gotta punch back over to Talk of the Nation to get your brain cells back. Sometimes I stare agog at my radio at the sheer dimwittedness of Lars' toothless angry white callers, saying stuff like, "Yuh, I think Vera's getting her orders straight from Russia," with Lars answering, "I would tend to agree with you." I'm amazed he can keep a straight face with his ultra-predictable quick-polls ("Do you think Portland should pay the demonstrators' legal bills"). I'd respect his show if it broke any ground at all; instead it panders and mocks, yells at the schools, denounces minorities, condemns dissent, and generates a heat to light ratio of 50 to 1.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:00:00 PM  
Blogger MAX Redline said...

Actually, I like Lars. When he was on tv, he did some really great stuff.

On the radio, I like to listen long enough to hear the Northwest Nonsense and a few other things, but then I go away. He seems to spend way too much time on articles in the newspapers.

I prefer Tony Snow, who actually brings in interesting people and is able to give you some insight.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:15:00 PM  
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Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:08:00 PM  
Blogger The One True b!X said...

Hey, Bojack and I are available. ;)

Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"prefer Tony Snow"
yeah, and i prefer cancer to getting run over by a bus.

Friday, June 17, 2005 6:42:00 AM  
Blogger darrelplant said...

My wife and I stopped listening to KPOJ in the mornings before she went to work when they took "Morning Sedition" off. I listen to Hartmann in the car if I have to drive somewhere before 9, and I appreciate the fact that he can get national guests because of his syndicated show, but he really does nothing for me (and it's hardly because he's "over my head" as one commenter here erroneously claims others on the thread have charged). I just find him too sanctimonious to put up with when he's so often not on top of his facts. I expect that of people like Mark Maron and Marc Riley (who was one of the only black radio voices on Air America, by the way) because what they're doing is essentially entertainment, and Maron's role is the outraged to the point of sputtering liberal with Riley filling the more informed straight man position. That worked for me. Thankfully, we can download the shows sans commercials and play them back a day later.

And no, Franken doesn't do fart jokes per se, but he does have an annoying fondness for his "Liam, the Loose-Boweled Leprechaun" character, which I'm not sure is particularly an improvement.

Friday, June 17, 2005 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the tolerance for opposing ideologies on display here. Apparently disagreement with the prevailing PDX political sentiment must be met with overwhelming nastiness and outright character assasination.

Friday, June 17, 2005 2:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think like I say. Nevermind why. Mind me. Because I got the mic and I said so and I scare you.
And that's how debate and decision died the last fifty years. Hey, anything that has improved human life for 4000 years has to die sometime. Maybe that's any human has some time to improve to the life standard of 4000 years.
Moral character matters. Assassination is impossible who has none. Click to test.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thom Hartman and Heidi Tauber grew on me. This post was from July, which is about when I started listening to the pair... they have become addicting. Heidi is good enough to do a show on her own, too.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

if shakespeare had a dog named lars that could talk . he would say (my empty food bowl mocks me.

Friday, April 27, 2007 1:46:00 PM  
Anonymous BloggerRadio said...

In whining about how socialist the Portland area is some 'Anonymous' type mentioned: "... spending with a lack of accountability, etc...."

It cracks me up how conservative righties continue to claim the platform plank of accountability in gov't spending when their own party's fear-mongering leader has pissed-away more money, created the largest deficit, and expanded the federal gov't beyond the amount spent, the size, and the scope tallied by all of his predecessors COMBINED. Ignorant hypocrites.

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."--John Kenneth Galbraith

Hartmann=most intelligent talk radio in Portland. My radios have ONE preset KPOJ. I didn't know Lars Larson was still on the radio, I would have guessed that the little guy would have drawn down on his own shadow and fired by now. I literally haven't listened to any other station but KPOJ in the past 3yrs ... and NO radio for years before that. Seriously, who wants to turn a dial or push a button and even accidentally land on Lush Bimbaugh, Sean Insanity, or Man Coulter even for a second. I'm not risking that, I leave it set on KPOJ until something comparable surfaces anyway.

Unfortunately, there is no-such thing as truly 'LOCAL' radio anywhere in America anymore ... even KPOJ is a puppet of the huge Clear Channel, who is bought and paid for by some financial whores from Wall Street. And, managed by power-tripping know-nothings like Mikie 'the jerk' Dirks. When those clowns get finished mismanaging the station into oblivion, I'll just turn the radio off altogether, and won't lose any sleep over it.

Monday, May 26, 2008 11:43:00 AM  

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