Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Late, Live, Loco

I wish I'd have made up that headline. That's the title of this morning's WWeek cover story.

Read Zach Dundas' piece this morning - his focus (as it's been here many times) is that successful engine that is Fox12 News.

He's right that it doesn't represent what's happening in our community, totally. But as he and Channel 12's news boss agree, it's working for them.

It's a well-written tongue in cheek shot at their style and "substance".

I look forward to your thoughts.

52 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was not impressed with Zach's article. It was, to use his own term, "pop rocks"-- sugary, crackling, nutritionally void.

If he really wanted to make his point about FOX's mis-representation of the community, he should've backed it up with facts. For instance, compare the percentage of FOX's newscast that is crime versus what percentage of the population is affected by crime. Dig deeper than the ratings: what kind of harm is all this focus on crime doing to the community???

And why not talk to that looney tune who blogs FOX's newscast each night and comments on each story? That guy's blog pretty much says the same thing as Zach's story.

I would've liked to have heard from people who watch FOX about why they do it. It's easy to rip quotes from anonymous posts (like this one!) on this blog but we're all media people and we don't count. I want to know what the general public thinks. Do they buy it? Are they afraid because of the news?

I think the public will learn a few things from the article-- such as why FOX continues to fill its show with more crime (ratings). And I enjoyed how Zach pointed out the ridiculousness of FOX's live shots with props.

Overall, I don't think this article will do any permanent damage to FOX. The writer just seems bitter.

And, no. I do not work at FOX.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A brilliant headline about a Foxy Nudes (Hi, KXL!) show that is so SLEAZY, it should carry a warning: Shower after watching.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be afraid. Be very afraid. People are watching KPTV and, oh no, hearing stories about crimes that are happening in their neighborhoods. How terrifying.
What's really scary here is just how worried all of you old school newsies are about this. If it's that "void of nutrition" the viewers will soon tire of it. Otherwise it might be a clue that viewers are ready for a change. Instead of comparing KPTV crime stories with community crime stats, why not compare the percentage of local crime stories in each newscast. You might be surprised at how similar they all are. Then you really won't be able to sleep at night.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You might be surprised at how similar they all are. Then you really won't be able to sleep at night.

It's not the fact they cover crime, it's the WAY they cover crime. As in, "METH WATCH 2005!!!1!!!1! OMG teh p01ic3 are teh sux0r5! tehy cnat ca+ch teh m3th co0krz!!1!!!" Seriously, watching KPTV is like getting your information on the neighborhood from your 90 year old grandmother who spends all day watching the block with her binoculars, peeking out from behind the drawn shutters. Paranoid, suspicious, and completely looney, albeit slightly entertaining.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All news broadcasts exaggerate the amount of crime that actually exists...and yes, there are sociologists who study this and have actual numbers to back it up. But, KPTV is successful not because they exaggerate it more than others, but because people watch it. Let's face it. No one will continue to invest in any form of media unless it pays off. Apparently, it's what the public wants and isn't that one of the roles of media, providing what the public wants? Or are we really going to pretend that news media, in particular, is removed from that line of thinking?

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lets just rename this blog kptv media insider

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Simp said...

Its voyuerism. Plain and simple.

Its a friggin car accident on the highway that slows traffic down in both directions just so people can get a look at the tradgedy.

hearing stories about crimes that are happening in their neighborhoods.

Nice try.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did KPTV even report on the Supreme Court nomination last night? I watched their opening rundown of stories being covered and it wasn't mentioned so I switched over to PAX.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sick of hearing "ratings" used as a defense for trash. Killing and mayhem always sell. People stare at car accidents and gruesome photos are probably next to porn in popularity on the Internet. So what?

You guys at KPTV CALL your garbage a NEWS show. But you choose to ignore real news that people actually NEED to know in order to maximize salacious bullshit. You could do both, I suppose, but for the most part you don't. Which is too bad, because you have a whole hour and getting some real news that people need to know in between the fear-mongering would probably silence most criticism. People who watch a "News" show shouldn't end up less informed than when they started, should they? Unfortunately, that's what happens to KPTV News at 10 viewers: They know or think they know a lot of bs about rampant crime and how you should be afraid to leave the house, but they don't know much of anything about things that will actually impact their lives.

If ratings are all that matter, Mr. McCreery, why do news at all? Just make up shit! You're only half a step away from that anyway. I can see it now: "Transsexual Nazis Invade Portland - but first, is a midget rapist about to enter your home disguised as a baby? We have the story first, only on Fox..."

But pleas change the name to 'Portland Paranoia' or 'Terror TV' - stop calling yourself a news show and be done with it.

And yes, I believe that fomenting fear and paranoia DOES in fact reduce the quality of life for all of us over the long haul. And that, KPTV-Mongers, is almost criminal.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two words: Lace Peterson.

One more from the viewers: YAWN!

MSM is sinking fast. Time to grab a life vest (or a gun, I guess).

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"one of the roles of media is to give the public what it wants"

Wow...it never ceases to amaze me how easily some TV newspeople can switch sides of the business/journalism line. Reminds me of the line from North Dallas Forty where NIck Nolte tells the owner "Everytime I say it is a game, you say it is a business...and every time I say it is a business, you say it is a game"

It is the role of the entertainment industry to give the public what it wants.

It is the role of the news media to accurately inform viewers of events and issues pertinent to the community. If that belief labels me as an "old-time newsie" it is a badge I wear with honor.

What KPTV has done is completely slide across the line between the two, and they make no apologies for that. I have no problem with a TV station conducting their "news" operation as a business, as long as they are subject to the same laws and regulations as any other business that conducts commerce on our city streets...such as having a permit to do so.

Yes, KPTV has increased their percentage of news viewers -- that is they capture a bigger share of those people actually watching news. Truth is, the number of people watching news is steadily shrinking and every TV News organization knows this.

It is not a "race to the top", but rather a "race to the bottom"

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Transsexual Nazis Invade Portland - but first, is a midget rapist about to enter your home disguised as a baby? We have the story first, only on Fox..."

And David Wilson would helpfully hold up a diaper as he did his intro, so as to help viewers understand the disguise that the midget rapist might wear.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, KPTV has increased their percentage of news viewers -- that is they capture a bigger share of those people actually watching news. Truth is, the number of people watching news is steadily shrinking and every TV News organization knows this."

Not entirely true.. KPTV is up in both raw numbers and share.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Joe said...

Hmmm. Ok. I'm not a media insider. I'm just an average Joe who happens to have had more than his share of encounters with local media.

And all too often, I look at the result and think to myself, "Geeze. If they can't get the facts straight on this piddling little story, what are they doing to the major issues of the day?"

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Without KPTV, this blog would be D-E-A-D... dead!

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you ever wonder how the MSM would have covered the Jessica Lynch/POW story if she looked like Rosie O'Donnell?

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It all seems to boil down to the fact that they call what they do at 10 a "news show" when it is really in the same vein as Nanny 911 and Fear Factor: a "reality-based" entertainment show. Thus it should more rightly be compared with other "reality tv" shows rather than legitimate news programming.

Calling the KPTV show at 10 a "news program" comes close to false advertising.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The magic of the dog lick live.

Why doeas a dog lick his balls? Because he can.

I love dark buildings and dark streets, especially as a background on a live shot.

Help me.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:37:00 PM  
Blogger Larry said...

Okay, as an average Joe Schmo who loves to swill beer and chase skirts, here's my 2-cents worth.

First off, the only reason I watch KPTV is because it's on at 10, instead of 11. And I really need my beauty sleep. I decided I was watching too much TV, so I disconnected my cable - that means that the PAX reception I get is about as watchable as is Roseanne Barr in a buffet line. Without sneeze guards.

Secondly, I HATE their cheesy graphics and "swooshing" sounds that intro every damn story. I hate the stupid local remotes where a reporter is standing outside of a dark building because a puppy was trapped inside it 7 hours prior.

I ESPECIALLY hate American Idol updates or any of that other crap that has ZERO semblance to ANY sort of news story.

And the funny thing is, on the occasions that I do watch a newscast from another station, I don't see a huge difference.

You professionals may differ with me, and I'm sure some will take great offense that I'm not noticing a major difference, but that's just an honest take from me - a somewhat intelligent, often showered, 38 year old divorced father of 2 daughters, SUV-driving God of Love (there's some demographic info for you).

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do those of you in the news business understand the level of discust the public has for your profession of late? I read some of these posts from insiders and they seem completely oblivious to both what is going on around them and community opinions. Are any of you fighting back? or are the blogs the only hope.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 1:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our household of two stopped watching Fox12 News as soon as we were able to get a decent signal from Pax (that is without a cable connection so the picture is sometimes a little fuzzy). We prefer 10 o'clock news but hated the Fox12 broadcast. We are much relieved to be able to watch KGW's news on Pax at 10 p.m. However, we have noticed the trend on KGW to more crime stories. I don't believe that is what the viewing public wants; we simply want to watch the news at 10 instead of 11 (as Larry stated above). Since choices are limited, of course Fox12 is going to get good ratings.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Chauncey said...

Well, I'm certainly disappointed. Who is the target reader? Or better, what is the purpose of Zach's story? Seemed to be nothing more than a rehashing of the stories that have driven me away from local news in the first place. Nothing unearthed here. Thanks for the summary of non-news, WW!

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fox is trying to move in on Maxium Exposure market. Could be time for the public to take back the airwaves.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:10:00 PM  
Anonymous historian said...

In 2001 there were two established 10pm newscasts... The 10 O'Clock News on KPTV (UPN 12)... and FOX 49 News at 10:00.

Ratings (M-F) from November 2001:
KPTV 5.0/10
KPDX 3.6/7
Combined KPTV/KPDX news rating: 8.6/17

Ratings (M-F) from November 2004:
KPTV 5.9/11
(KPXG 1.0/2)

(I picked November because these numbers aren't articficially inflated by American Idol. There was no Idol equivalent in 2001, so gotta compare apples to apples)

Today, with only one easily-available source of news at 10pm, one might expect KPTV to post numbers equal to the combined KPTV/KPDX numbers just prior to the merge, yes? But instead, what we see is a 20-30% DROP in 10pm news ratings since KPTV and KPDX merged... which is also when KPTV changed their format to the crime-fest we all love to talk about.

From this perspective, I have to wonder if KPTV's crime-time 10 O'Clock News is really as successful as we think... especially in light of the earlier-to-bed trend that should benefit 10pm newscasts.

True, 10pm news ratings on KPTV have shown a little growth this past year... but the overall 10pm news numbers are significantly down from just 3 or 4 years ago. So FOX 12ers... are you really sure that your format works?

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...time for the public to take back the airwaves

Have the airwaves ever really belonged to the public?

TV is a business. It's designed to generate profits for the owners, just like radio , just like print, just like the 'net.

KXL or Yahoo! or KGW (et al.) do not exsist out of the goodness of someone's heart. It's about $$$. When viewership/ readership/ listenership goes up, so do profits. That's what drives a lot of decisions.

Even OPB isn't all that 'public' from what I hear.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just got finished reading the WW piece (props to you, PDX Media Insider).

Is it a coincidence the last two words in the story are "stupid b!tch"?

p.s. to WW interns: DOUBLE mocha, next time. Thanks.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually we do. We let these organizations borrow them as long as they meet certain public goods. If they no longer meet those requirements we can in theory take away their broadcasting rights. It might be time.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think "Historian" (see above) has made the most compelling argument of all.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Historian's arguement doesn't hold water. If you got rid of Coke, would Pepsi's sales double? Probably not. Why.. many, many factors.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Historian's arguement doesn't hold water. If you got rid of Coke, would Pepsi's sales double? Probably not. Why.. many, many factors."

Actually it would be more accurate to say if Coke AND Pepsi stopped making soda, would sales of Brand X Soda account for all their sales combined since KPTV's current newscast is unlike either KPDX or the KPTV of old. Neither one of the old newscasts could have survived on their own.. and making both into one is impossible.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:38:00 PM  
Blogger PDXMediaWatcher said...

Uh, I think we got off track again here. I wanted to know what you thought of the article. I think we know what y'all think of KPTV news - both sides.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:54:00 PM  
Blogger Ruben Bailey said...

As usual, and as I stated yesterday, WW cover story falls flat on its face.

It always amazies and disapoints me to be so intrigued at what looks to be a great cover story, only to be let down several pargraphs in.

It is at that point I often find myself starting to wonder (mentally) and then actually lifting my head to look around at what else is going on around me (out of sheer boredom).

I like WW a lot, but I feel let down often in the cover story section. To tell you the truth, the only reason I read it through this time was b/c it was a homework assignment for this blog.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought the article was entertaining.. funny with the symbols.. but not much real meat there.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw C.W. Jensen at Terry Renteria's going away party and he said he was going to work at KATU as their crime expert. Not as a reporter, but an analyst, etc.
Like it or not, people pay attention to crime stories. He was always great to have at KGW when we had breaking news or needed to figure out what the cops were doing.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would have been an idea to take a typical night and compare the lead stories on all four stations.

I will have to say I find the use of props to be lame. If you use them on EVERY story it becomes lame.

That being said, KGW's Vince Patton was hilarious the other day when he used a rubber duck on a story about water testing.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 4:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is for the person who saw CW at Terry's party.
Was he behaving himself? We all hope so.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The WW story was a blatant rip-off of kptvwatch.blogspot.com that guy ought to sue.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quote from earlier non media viewer: "Do those of you in the news business understand the level of discust the public has for your profession of late? I read some of these posts from insiders and they seem completely oblivious to both what is going on around them and community opinions. Are any of you fighting back? or are the blogs the only hope."
Exactly what I have been saying about those in the media who talk only among themselves, socialize among themselves and know little or nothing about what goes on in the real world. Then they pretend the care.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Plastic Hallway said...

Regarding the "what people want" notion;

Viewers rarely call in tips about the jail matrix program and the perv du jour. Instead the local assignment desks get calls about government waste, unusual community efforts, goings on or characters... real stories. Crimes are easy to cover and Rausch said it best in the WW article (rough paraphrase to follow) "a monkey can cover crime so he does". When a station goes after an issue story it risks having it fall through or inflating far beyond 1:30 to get it right. But anyone can "obtain" a police report and turn it into "news".

What is it that people remember about the impactful news stories? Character, character, character. It's a rare find these days.

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what's the difference between what KPTV does and what WW did?

Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We're putting some kind of importance on what Rausch says? The guy in last place who can't figure out what his newscast is all about? The guy hanging on to his long lost memories of being number one at KGW? Sorry, but I have a hard time taking advice from a guy who seems to have caused the downward spiral of what used to be a very good station. Great people + bad leadership=a losing product.

Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My pals at KXL are all high-fiving themselves in the hallway, Lars too, having a group orgasm over KPTV's success (towel, boys?).

As some Republican once said, you'll never go broke underestimating the taste of the American public.

KPTV is selling huge piles of steaming shit, right in the Square, and some of you morons are stupid enough to show up with shovels and smiles.

You get the news you deserve. BOO!

Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all of you who care, feel free to call C.W. He's doing great selling property at Pearl Real Estate.

I'm sure he could find you a condo.

Terry looks great by the way, he will be missed very much by everyone here at the station.

Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good point about Rausch..

Here's something not mentioned yet.. ( I don't think ) I loved the art work in that piece. Nice job!

Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What "Jessica Lynch/POW story'? Do you mean Matthew Walters, the young man turned hero from Salem? Medium build, blond, wounded mortally, emptied his weapon protecting his squad, which maybe included some hillbilly girl who hit her chin on the steering wheel or something and was unconcious the whole time, or slept, while Walters held off the attackers, where the driver screwed up and got lost and drove into. Matthew Walters. Maybe tattoo his name on your nose. Who is Lynch?

I have no idea what is on KPDV or whatever. Why would anybody who writes here know any of that? You want news at 10? Or 9? Or 8? Or 9:27:33 ? Just click on BuzzFlash. Anybody who has internet even if they don't come here is stupid to go watch tv. and especilly not for news. tv ain't news. its murder horror movies. Yeah, like somebody said then you don't sleep at night.

tv is mostly the stupidest thing you can do when you are alive. it is just meth. which is like the second stupidest thing.

o, sorry. Does that mean somebody is not going to sell a car or something? when I was a kid gas stations used to have commercials on tv. whats up with that?

I haven't read the W.W. yet. This Zack dude, is he the one who got a pulitzer prize. isn't that like 100 G's or something. you know, i never met a rich person or an important person, like Sizemore, I met sizemore, I never met one who ever said anything about what they saw on tv. they always talk about what is going to happen and what they are going to do. like maybe Enron is going to jail. that would be so so funny. if it was funny. I talked to the meter reader and she lost like 25 Gs or something when Enron stole it. I wonder if that was on tv. Don't matter, i talked to a live person. told me about her son.

I got the W.W. and looked at the cover art. That's as far as I got. It looked like kids playing scare you or tag your it or something. Gave me this big inside look at what makes these people tick. it runs all the way thru the whole Fox Fascist Bush war crimes thing. neo con world they call themselves. It's a con alright. nine eleven op. con. Use the internet, get the news. tv - the more you watch the less you know. surveys show.

hey, whatever happened to tha o'reilly guy trying to rape his producer. he was on larson's show this week and I couldn't tell which one was more afraid of the other one. orielly thought he was slumming. larson though he had a sex pervert and larson is like hell on sex perverts then o'rielly goes off on his project to get first time perverts locked up for years and larson is thinking 'what about you'?

The fear in both of them sounds like what it looks like the cartoon draws on W.W. It is childish. Infantile. That's when it occurred to me - that's what the neo cons are. neo-nates. just borns. thats like the wedge issue between real republicans and neo cons. real conservatives are mature. like buckley or eisenhower or thatcher or stupid hatch and gordo mormons try to be. Neo cons are like children. infants. the last time kids were important to politicians we all gave dimes at school to cure polio. It worked. Todays children are like the March of Dumbs. Bush is the poster boy. Kids like lie all the time. Its the only strategy they know. Or they are name calling and then they argue stupid - did TOO. did NOT. did TOO. did NOT. LALALALA ICANT HEARYOU. So yah let them take the guards guys from Oregon and get them killed, i'm sure. like infants neo cons know what they are doing. NOT. why does anybody watch tv it is all lies. bush suckers. Use the internet force Luke. by-by cable bills.

Know wonder mature conservatives like the farmers hate the infantile neo cons. Grow up larson. Thats fnny he was high fiving. what a liar. His daddy apul allen is so proud of him for sure. The paper said his stalker is out on bail. So now every one who takes a wack at larson can figure the cops are going to run down the guy whose out on bail who did it before. Sounds like he is standing in the jungle he grew.

Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, that was quite a post. Lets print that out and take it to the therapist this week, OK? We all know TV news is messed up, but we must make a living. You need therapy, many, many fucking years of therapy.

Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why does everyone fear Rausch?

Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You think that is living?

Friday, July 22, 2005 2:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fear Rausch? Maybe if you work there. For the rest of us, we fear they'll fire his low ratings ass.

Friday, July 22, 2005 9:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's face it. All local news broadcasts suck. Even the local news in NYC, where the news 'industry' is based, sucks.

Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh oh this just in: weekly tabloid stops printing of lurid local gossip to report that Corp. media is trying to increase its number of viewers in order to increase its revenue from advertisers!!! wow ladies and gentleman welcome hicksville, aka land of the obvious.

Friday, July 29, 2005 2:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you're right on track and not many people are willing to admit that they share your views. delirious lost is an AWESOME place to discuss LOST.

Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:46:00 AM  

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