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I received a number of emails today asking for us to discuss a few issues:

  • The quandry that is KPTV's 10pm News - it gets decent numbers yet it is appalling to many people - why is it and why don't the folks making decisions there care - especially since real research is likely to show they cannot attract a quality audience (educated, real consumers)? This is not to say they don't have good demos - they do well with the 25-49 crowd, but I'm guessing very few of them have education or wealth. I'm sure my favorite pro-KPTV poster will be the first to dive in to tell me I'm wrong. I'm okay with that - show me the numbers - they're public here in Portland. Where do your viewers live and work? Especially the ones that are there at 10:30, not coming out of your great lead-ins.

  • Reviewers - I wrote about the food reviewer at the WWeek and the fire she lit in the restaurant industry. A fan of Portland theater was put off by the WWeek critic who said goodbye and talked about theater here very negatively. Was he right, and doesn't he have the right to say that?

  • Phil Busse - he's made some pretty prominent mistakes, yet he seems to not be in any danger of losing his job. Why is that? Does his boss not care, or does he/she think Phil brings attention and readers, even when he fucks up royally. Like Clinton and Lewinsky.

Dive in.

50 Comments:

Blogger activist kaza said...

KPTV has always had good numbers...chalk it up to early bedtimes and relatively good lead-ins & outs. Seinfeldistas wouldn't watch another newscast in town!

I know that some might suggest the PAXcast provides an alternative but c'mon...that station is still a virtual unknown to most Portlanders (and certainly nobody outside of PDX). It has sporadic cable carriage outside the metro area and has no significant programming to speak of.

So KPTV succeeds pretty much in spite of itself...that's my theory anyway, and I'm sticking to it.

Friday, July 08, 2005 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never written here before. I work at KPTV. News is not math. We can argue all day about what's news and what's trash. But when you make a comment like "coming out of your great lead-ins" that's something I think you can either prove or disprove. And I challenge you to either prove me wrong to take back your inference that we only get good numbers in our first half hour because of our lead ins.

Check out May '05 and so far this July book
The last two ratings periods. Here are the 7 day averages for both the hour preceeding the newscast on a given station and then the newscast itself.

KATU... avg lead in from 10-11 in
May 05
Lead in 6.4 news 3.7.
This July
Lean in 4.1 news 4.0

KOIN
May 05
Lead in 9.4 news: 6.1
July 05
Lead in: 5.3 news 4.3

KGW
May 05
Lead in: 10.3 11pm news 7.9
July 05
Lead in 6.3 11pm news 6.0

KPTV
May 05
lead in avg 3.7 news 6.4
July 05
lead in avg 4.4 news 7.0

Again these are average ratings 7 days a week.

AS you can see KPTV's lead ins are tied for last with KATU.. yet so far into this book we're beating KGW.. that's even though we have to hold our audience for an HOUR!

Yes FOX has the occassional hit but we all laugh when you folks talk about lead ins because the network never misses a chance to screw us. For all the hype about "24" it averaged about a 6 share. AMerican Idol was on most of the time at 8 not 9pm. Have you seen the O.C.'s 2 rating?

So talk about our product and people and managers all you want.. but don't go on about non existent lead ins and try to say that's the reason we're taking such a big chunk of the news pie.

I also take issue with your opinion that only poor people would be interested in our news. I don't happen to believe its true but if it is I'm glad we could serve them.

Friday, July 08, 2005 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Peech said...

To anon, point taken about lead-ins, but I'm curious about Watcher's point regarding viewer income and education. I don't think it's offensive to wonder if police blotter would have a less desirable, albeit larger, audience for advertisers than a newscast with more business, education and political news. Then again, KPTV is a Fox affiliate, and it only makes sense to target Fox viewers (though ABC, CBS and NBC aren't offering much comparatively higher-brow programming these days).

Re: Busse, nothing he does is ever a scandal because he's already held to a lower standard. It reminds me of Fox News gloating that it hasn't had a big news scandal like CBS, The Times, Newsweek, etc. But one can't be scandalized when one is already shameless.

Friday, July 08, 2005 1:58:00 AM  
Blogger KPTV-Watch said...

10 PM newscasts traditionally get older and poorer audiences on average than 11 PM shows do (they tend to watch a 10 PM 'cast because they are early-risers and/or have to go to work in the AM).

The PAX thing almost doesn't qualify as "competition." It is correct that some cable systems do not carry the local PAX affiliate at all.

There are three newscasts locally at 11 PM, as opposed to the 1.5 at 10. Is it really that surprising that a show which airs virtually unchallenged gets higher numbers than any of the THREE shows an hour later? Isn't it logical that they would tend to cannibalize each other's numbers?

I for one would be fascinated to see an income breakdown for the KPTV news audience. By the way, they started running promos tonight for their new Sunday 5 PM newscast.

Friday, July 08, 2005 2:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Bill McDonald said...

In response to two comments ago: I haven’t heard the FOX News people gloating that they’ve been free of news scandals, but if so, what about the Bill O’Reilly-phone sex story in which FOX News was used by their star to say he was the victim of an extortion attempt by another employee of FOX news and that he was going to fight? Of course after the transcripts of what had to be taped conversations came out, mentioning such things as Bill O’Reilly’s dildo, etc…the “victim” hastened to pay the accusing FOX employee many dollars for the whole thing to go away. That sure felt like a scandal to me and it involved them covering a story inaccurately, just as Dan Rather did, albeit a story about one of their own. Not only that but their coverage wasn’t even thorough. Bill O’Reilly never even mentioned his dildo’s nickname.

Friday, July 08, 2005 6:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many people have to go to bed early, which gives KPTV a leg up. But I also think that people watch it for the same reason they stare at car accidents.

The problem with that is that people who get most or all of their news from KPTV are ignorant and uninformed as CITIZENS, and in that sense KPTV's news at 10 and shows like it adversely affect our country.

KPTV is part of America, after all, and all throwing around of numbers aside, America deserves better.

Thomas Jefferson observed that "Information is the currency of democracy." In view of this great truth, we must conclude KPTV's alleged news show is guilty of embezzlement.

Friday, July 08, 2005 7:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"a quality audience (educated, real consumers)?"

"I'm guessing very few of them have education or wealth."

What a monumentally stupid, smug, and disgusting attitude. Education has nothing to do with intelligence (as you have presumably so clearly demonstrated). And income has nothing to do with "quality" or worth.

You disgust me.

Friday, July 08, 2005 8:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I also take issue with your opinion that only poor people would be interested in our news. I don't happen to believe its true but if it is I'm glad we could serve them."

Let's assume our KPTV apologist is truly honest about that statement, then what are you doing about it? Where are the stories about bettering your educational choices, how to improve your income or to stretch your dollar, where are the best places to live on a smaller budget, why Portland builds "affordable housing" that people really can't afford. Why are you insulting them too to think that all they care about is crime and meth and fires?

Answer please?

Friday, July 08, 2005 8:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, yes we don't compete with any other newscasts except PAX.. but you act as though that's our only competition. I wonder how KOIN news would do if viewers had their choice of watching that, or first run episodes of ER, LOST, or CSI all on the same night. It's not unusual for us to compete against two shows on other stations with double digit ratings... sometimes three. Try getting a piece of that pie.

Finally, and this is the last point I'll make... because you never really change anyone's minds on these blogs... I just sick of FOX 12 getting ripped unchallenged. I think there is a definitely elitist tone in the people who look down of FOX 12 that's unlike any other market I've worked in. What I mean is those of you who say we "scare the viewer, or don't inform the viewer" simply think you're smarter than the average person. And you can't live with the fact they prefer us. So you call them stupid, or poor, or uneducated.. and call us a threat to democracy. Do you think it's possible they know about websites and newspapers and cable channels where they can get more in depth international and business news, but maybe want to see more local news. Look, KGW, KOIN, KATU, and KPTV are never going to outdue the other guys on international in depth pieces. As audiences continue to fragment, the only thing that sets us a part and give viewers a reason to watch is LOCAL news! That is our only bread and butter. And FOX 12 covers news in neighborhoods.. and yes that sometimes includes sex offenders, criminals and the like. I think it's also elitist to criticize that. I bet if a sex offender moved in next door to you, you'd damn well want to know about it. You'd probably be ringing every news station in town trying to get them out. But because we inform neighborhoods in Longview, or Gresham or S.E. Portland you can't take it. In a minutes time we can do 3 noticifications.. big deal. Again, maybe the poor just aren't worth it to some of you guys.

Plus who says all the stations have to be alike. LET KATU specialize in animal stories... and the environment.. fine that's great. KGW can be more middle of the road, and KOIN can.. well KOIN is still trying to find itself. But you just cannot live with the fact KPTV has found a mix people like to watch. A newscast we produce for our viewers.. instead of having the gall to forcefeed them stories we think they need to see.

Friday, July 08, 2005 8:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, yes we don't compete with any other newscasts except PAX.. but you act as though that's our only competition. I wonder how KOIN news would do if viewers had their choice of watching that, or first run episodes of ER, LOST, or CSI all on the same night. It's not unusual for us to compete against two shows on other stations with double digit ratings... sometimes three. Try getting a piece of that pie.

Finally, and this is the last point I'll make... because you never really change anyone's minds on these blogs... I just sick of FOX 12 getting ripped unchallenged. I think there is a definitely elitist tone in the people who look down of FOX 12 that's unlike any other market I've worked in. What I mean is those of you who say we "scare the viewer, or don't inform the viewer" simply think you're smarter than the average person. And you can't live with the fact they prefer us. So you call them stupid, or poor, or uneducated.. and call us a threat to democracy. Do you think it's possible they know about websites and newspapers and cable channels where they can get more in depth international and business news, but maybe want to see more local news. Look, KGW, KOIN, KATU, and KPTV are never going to outdue the other guys on international in depth pieces. As audiences continue to fragment, the only thing that sets us a part and give viewers a reason to watch is LOCAL news! That is our only bread and butter. And FOX 12 covers news in neighborhoods.. and yes that sometimes includes sex offenders, criminals and the like. I think it's also elitist to criticize that. I bet if a sex offender moved in next door to you, you'd damn well want to know about it. You'd probably be ringing every news station in town trying to get them out. But because we inform neighborhoods in Longview, or Gresham or S.E. Portland you can't take it. In a minutes time we can do 3 noticifications.. big deal. Again, maybe the poor just aren't worth it to some of you guys.

Plus who says all the stations have to be alike. LET KATU specialize in animal stories... and the environment.. fine that's great. KGW can be more middle of the road, and KOIN can.. well KOIN is still trying to find itself. But you just cannot live with the fact KPTV has found a mix people like to watch. A newscast we produce for our viewers.. instead of having the gall to forcefeed them stories we think they need to see.

Friday, July 08, 2005 8:58:00 AM  
Blogger activist kaza said...

Hey, I am making no arguments about the nature of KPTV viewers, other than they are: (a) early risers (or long sleepers, or (b) Seinfeld fans! I agree that the lead-ins have varied and may not be conclusive...

On a completely different note, I invite PDXmediawatchers to engage in this debate, in the wake of yesterday's tragedy in London: does our media make us "safer"?

I'm raising this question over at: www.kazablog.com

Some disclosure for both threads. I'm a former journalist (print/TV) who grew up in Portland, worked at KPTV at one stage, and moved on to the business side of media, including a stint at the BBC. I just discovered that the BBC aired a documentary about 14 months ago that presaged yesterday's events in an eerily and prescient manner.

I've heard no mention or seen any coverage of this yet anywhere in the media aftermath of yesterday's carnage. But I think it bears examination...and for media people, a little bit of introspection.

Friday, July 08, 2005 9:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh.. last night FOX 12's "Great Lead in" was 2.6.
Jumped to a 9.0 in the first quarter hour.

Friday, July 08, 2005 9:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kptv-watch said: "By the way, they started running promos tonight for their new Sunday 5 PM newscast."

I believe KPTV has had that Sunday 5PM show for almost a year, if not a year now. And I remember seeing that 5PM promo quite a few times throughout the news show. But thanks for playing.

As far as a 5PM weekday show, do people think one could survive at KPTV? I heard they might add an 11PM first, then a 5PM? Anyone know about that? How would they fare in direct competition with the other stations?

Friday, July 08, 2005 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poster - please explain why it matters where the viewers live.
If, as you say, KPTV has decent numbers and good demos and that is what the advertisers use to buy commercial time how is your question relevant to the business of tv news. If your agenda is to slam KPTV's content then do that but please do not do it by insulting the viewers. Apparently you do not believe that we as journalists have any sort of a customer service role to our viwers. Yes, they are the consumer and yes we in most cases are the gatekeepers but never forgot your place! This job is a privilege.

Friday, July 08, 2005 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a PROUD Fox 12 employee, let me just say how happy we all are that all of you can't seem to stop talking about us. You never thought we'd be a threat to your comfortable numbers, never thought we'd steal away your audience from your complacent little newscasts, never thought you'd see the day that the 10 o'clock news was tops in this town. Poor babies. I'd be mad too. Keep on talking guys, but maybe instead of whining and complaining about how we're not as BORING as the rest of you, you should take a good long look in the mirror at the way you're delivering your product. Oops, did you fall asleep?

Friday, July 08, 2005 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Peech said...

Bill McD: Roger Ailes is the one who does the gloating. I'd search it, but I'm not in the mood. TVNewser.com is where I read it. They've carried such comments a few times. And I meant a news scandal, but thanks for the reminder.

Falafel. Heh.

Friday, July 08, 2005 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous peech said...

And to any Fox12ers getting the wrong impression, we're not attacking it for it's high ratings. I'm not even in the business. I'm just a news consumer who realizes that Little Baghdad on the Willamette coverage isn't news, it's just shock value for ratings, and ratings is what you've got.

Alternately, I praise Good Day Oregon, and it also has high ratings. I think most of us have good things to say about Good Day Oregon. If we were all threatened by high ratings, that wouldn't be the case. This really is a genuine debate about quality.

And for the person who got into a snit about the consideration of "education" rather than "intelligence," does that person want Nielsen to administer IQ tests to its survey participants? Does he dispute the fact that advertisers use the education level of a show's viewers as a barometer of what kind of consumers the show attracts and whether they fall into the advertiser's target audience? The reason education and income are important is because they're important to advertisers, not because Watcher is an elitist.

Friday, July 08, 2005 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could be totally wrong as I know not much about demos.. but I think advertisers do like low to middle low income families. Anyone who actually knows care to chime in.

Friday, July 08, 2005 11:02:00 AM  
Blogger darrelplant said...

Non-KPTV comment.

Considering the lack of other responses to it, I may have been the person who suggested the topic of WW's theater reviewer. If I am the person you're referring to, it's odd that you'd call me a "fan of Portland theater". I like theater, that's true. But since my wife left the WW theater critic position at the end of 1996, we've seen maybe five or six plays. We don't have any real contact with the theater community in Portland at this point. My comments are more concerned with accuracy than with whether the reviews are negative or positive; my wife wrote plenty of reviews that pissed people off while she was working for WW.

http://www.darrelplant.com/blog_item.php?ItemRef=252

Friday, July 08, 2005 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"they do well with the 25-49 crowd, but I'm guessing very few of them have education or wealth"

So typical of the response from most of the members of the Portland media.
I expect most of you have your college degrees. Since your social contacts are with each other, your small, educated, but insulated world is all you know.
Get "educated" media people! The rest of the world is a whole lot different than the one you exist in.

Friday, July 08, 2005 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For folks kvetching about KPTV's style, history tells us this: In the late 90's KGW's news resembled what we see now on Channel 12, then a new news director came in, forced the staff to do real news and voila, it's the highest rated news operation in the city. Perhaps we just have to wait this out.

Friday, July 08, 2005 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I think KPTV is beating KGW this month, so much for being #1...they have KPTV running past them now.

Friday, July 08, 2005 1:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Which hour, which show.

Friday, July 08, 2005 1:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KPTV's 10 is beating KGW's 11 for the first time in history this month. It's early though and it's July. But it's a trend. They beat KGW last month too! If this holds up KPTV is going to be #1 mornings AND nights. Uhg.

Friday, July 08, 2005 2:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More Hilary Hutcheson please

Friday, July 08, 2005 2:54:00 PM  
Blogger PDXNoir said...

"especially since real research is likely to show they cannot attract a quality audience (educated, real consumers)"

You threw the gauntlet in your opening salvo. Prove it. Where is the real reasearch?

In my many years of selling time on TV stations, I frequently encountered buyers who made similar statements as if they were proven. I would innocently ask where the data existed that backed up their beliefs, and invariably it came from the salesperson of the affiliated station. Not the data, the belief. I sincerely have always wanted to see the research that showed that a "news viewer" was a higher quality viewer. You seem to know where it is PDX Media Insider, so let's see it.

BTW, I truly appreciate your blog, I've been a follower since its inception. I applaud you for creating it. However, I will challenge you when I believe you are being unduly biased.

Friday, July 08, 2005 2:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE: KPTV-watch 2:28am (?)

KPTV has been running a Sunday 5pm newscast for, oh... about a year now. It's not "new".

ps - I bet KPTV wished you had a Neilson box. Based on the QUICK glance I did of your blog, you must watch the 10:00 news religiously! You'd help their ratings go UP!

Friday, July 08, 2005 3:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On KPTV: trash wins. trash always wins.(morning radio drive excepted). you're winning? you're still trash.
On: Silvis....he was WW's best arts reporter, hands down. the best pure writer on the staff. even though you'd have to pay me to go to the theater, i'll really miss him.

Friday, July 08, 2005 3:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't speak to the IQ scores of KPTV's 10pm newscast viewers, (or the people who post here!) but there is "real research" on education and income levels available to all stations that subscribe to Nielsen's qualitative Scarborough product, so here's the KPTV index (with 100 being the average):

HH Incomes $50,000+ = 105
$75,000+ = 94

College Degree = 102

Looks like they are smarter and richer than your average bear. News viewers in general tend to be a more educated, affluent bunch.

So, just because you don't like it, that doesn't mean that people who do are poor or stupid.

KPTV's product is as accurate and responsible as anyone else's. If you prefer the same stories presented in a more boring way, just stick around for the other stations' 11pm shows!

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On KPTV: trash wins. trash always wins.(morning radio drive excepted). you're winning? you're still trash.

Amen to that. Jerry Springer had great ratings for several years, but is still a joke. You get great ratings because people are lazy and your newscast doesn't make them think. Congrats for that.

By the way, can we do a thread on the stoopid props that David Freitas uses to illustrate the details of a story? Someone gets arrested for ID theft, and he'll wave a driver's license around. There's a phone scam, and he'll hold up...a phone. Arson at a school, he holds up...a fire extinguisher. It's just about the most laughable thing I've ever seen.

"ID theft? Huh, what's that? OOOOOH, he's holding up a driver's license. Now I get it."

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You get great ratings because people are lazy and your newscast doesn't make them think. Congrats for that."

I hope all the stations have your disrespect for viewers. We'll continue to clean up.

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still trying to figure out that Clinton/Lewinsky reference in the original post.

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Phil Busse continues to get a free pass.

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it was best said as a promo for 105.1 The Buzz...

"You want cerebral? Try NPR."

I think we're dealing with an ever blurring line between "journalism" and entertainment. To get the ratings that stations desire, they have to entertain as well as inform. It would appear that entertaining is currently ahead.

On an aside, I have to say watching graphics on KPTV is kind of like watching the stock market. Some days they do a superb job and then you get obviously quick and dirty promotions that just HURT to look at. The free giveaway promo is a great example of painful design. But it does work... it gets your attention in a used car dealer sale kind of way.

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:39:00 PM  
Anonymous peech said...

Are those numbers from Anon @ 4:05pm for the 10pm cast or the station in general?

And people, for God's sake, pick a pseudonym. You don't have to register, just click "Other," put in a name, skip the "web page" field, and click "Publish."

Watcher: Can you disable the anonymous option? This is ridiculous.

Friday, July 08, 2005 4:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Been at KPDX from the start! said...

How can there be so many dumb smart people out ther in the biz?

Because it's just that, a business. You want pure journalism, TV, Radio, and hell Newspapers are not it any more.

I shouldn't need to tell anyone reading this blog that the internet and other infromation sources are eroding the over the air audience. And there are more technologies coming down the superhighway.

So.... Bitch all you want, but 12 is getting the ratings, and making the money. What else do you want for your stockholders?

Because if you think it's all about the viewer, you've been sold a load of goods, they are the means to an end. Just Ask PT Barnum.

Another quote may be "the customer is always right", well the only person mentioned there is a customer... With out customers (or in this case viewers) kiss your raise next year good bye.

So if you want to say it's trash, go ahead, and when your looking for your next job, just remember what you posted, when we see you knocking on our door.

signed:
Been at KPDX from the start!

Friday, July 08, 2005 5:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Other by request said...

"I think we're dealing with an ever blurring line between "journalism" and entertainment."
Which is why CBS News under Dan Rather became known as the "entertainment division of the democratic party:".

Friday, July 08, 2005 8:28:00 PM  
Blogger PDXNoir said...

anonymous at 405pm quoted some Scarborough numbers, then said...

"News viewers in general tend to be a more educated, affluent bunch."

As Peech later asked, are these numbers for the 10pm news or the station?

It's a moot point really. If this argument continues as it always has in my experience, the result will be that there is no accurate, qualitative data that proves that "news" viewers are significantly different than "viewers".

It's a mass medium, folks, nobody has the market on the upscale viewers.

Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fox (Faux) News is the DIRECT LINE of White House talking points. I don't believe anybody from the Democratic Party feeds CBS like the Republicans feed Fox. It's not even close.

Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Splicer said...

Do you even watch Fox News? Or, are you just spouting that tired, old, liberal crap?

Saturday, July 09, 2005 8:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Bozell said...

Obviously 5:11 has all the facts...

Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 8:38:
calling it "tired old liberal crap" is also a common republican tactic...one that is used all the time at fox. it's like saying "oh, those WMD claims that got us into the war? are you still harping on that?"
yes we are. and as long as fox remains the depot for republican talkings points, we'll continue to keep our voices heard.

Monday, July 11, 2005 6:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll state the obvious, because it's OBVIOUS you don't get it: KPTV is a Fox affiliate. That means we air their programming, ie: 24, the Simpsons, etc. Our daily newscasts have nothing to do with the Fox News Channel, aside from the occasional reporter pkg we use from the feed, just as we use CNN pkgs from the feed. If you want to bash Fox News Channel, go right ahead. Just don't lump KPTV in with it.

Monday, July 11, 2005 3:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh please. don't try to tell me the local fox affils don't have the same tone and slant. we're much too smart to fall for that. i realize that you're in denial.

Monday, July 11, 2005 5:48:00 PM  
Anonymous watchCNNandFNC said...

Are you people kidding? I am not even in the tv business and I can tell that KPTV is so different from FNC. And if you do a little research, you will see that it isn't owned by Fox or FNC. As far as FNC being so Republican...think about this...maybe it's just that the other stations, CNN and MSNBC, are so far left, that a "fair and balanced" station becomes "right" because they aren't the leftist liberal extreme. As an Independent, I watch both CNN and FNC. I find that FNC is more concerned about presenting the news in a objective way and CNN really has the agenda. FNC is just the first middle-of-the-road news station to do really well and happens to gat the attention of moderates and rights.

Monday, July 11, 2005 11:55:00 PM  
Anonymous watchCNNandFNC said...

make that "get" instead of "gat"

Monday, July 11, 2005 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous FlyNewsGirl said...

In response to:
Anonymous said... "As a PROUD Fox 12 employee, let me just say how happy....."

I don't need to finish the rest of their comment because all I wanted to point out is this: If you are so PROUD... why not use your name???

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:41:00 PM  
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