Wednesday, August 03, 2005

Channel 2 on 2

Some of the cheers you are hearing when you drive down Sandy Blvd. are the early numbers after Channel 2 is airing on Channel 2 on Comcast. They are doing quite well.

I didn't think it would make a difference. But, when you do diaries, people can get confused.

The numbers suggest even more competition for KGW in the fall.

What do you think they are doing right? KATU folks are excited about the latest numbers.

115 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think KATU hit a home run on the Brooke Willberger story with CW Jensen as their expert.

I was surprised to see CW on KATU instead of KGW, but I think having a former PIO/detective commenting really set them apart.

Maybe folks new to Portland don't care, but I used to interview the guy when he was with the police dept, and I like his insight on this case.

Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should be excited. They're regularly beating KGW on stories too.

Plus, they actually cover the entire viewing area instead of blowing off Vancouver and Salem as KGW does. (What brainy exec at 8 believes ignoring 400,000 + people is good business?)

As for CW, he's great at that stuff... and he's on KATU because KGW refused to pay him to be its analyst. Rausch offered him some $$ and now he's across the street. (No secrets revealed here, CW's been talking about this to many folks.)

Bet that Channel 8 news exec who turned CW down regrets it now.

Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous historian said...

The ratings have been a little odd this summer. Certainly odder than summers past. KATU had over an 8 rating for their 5pm news one day in July... winning the evening. This while KGW's evening numbers and KPTV's morning numbers have been uncharacteristically low.

I don't know if were seeing the beginnings of a ratings shift or not. It could all be sampling flukes and summer vacations. It's too soon to call this a trend.

Regardless of the ratings situation, I think KATU is doing more right than wrong right now. They've been very consistent with their product, and that consistency is becoming reliable and familiar. Steve & Natali have been on the 5pm anchor desk for four years now... a nice sign of stability on the air even if it's been chaotic behind the scenes.

Now if KATU could only dump the Fisher graphics package and come up with a modern & sophisticated look. I think it would help them move closer to KGW and farther from KOIN.

Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice that on KATU's 11 am newscast, Rhonda Shelby mentioned that she is 17 weeks pregnant?

Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talk to me when Oprah's not in repeats and we'll see how things shake out.

One week is a blip -- three or four months make a trend.

Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KATU is finally doing a lot of the right stuff. When Carl Click pops up on the air the day after labor day, KATU will really need to promote the Click-Raptis team, both for the morning news and AM Northwest. Adding a morning reporter will also help that promotion.

Steve and Natali have been doing a great job at 5 pm, but if anything breaks, Natali is already done for the day, which could begin to be a loophole in the star lineup. If KATU has to cut in to World News Tonight and go through 6:30, will Deb take Natali's spot? Taking her off the 6:30 show was dangerous, but who knows if that affected the different July numbers...

Just some thoughts...

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Thursday's 5PM news broadcast, KATU will air a new political commentary segment, "Kremer & Abrams, Face 2 Face."

They have a radio talk show on KXL sundays. The KATU segments will have them hashing out issues of the day, in brief, lively style.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I get my local news more and more from the internet and less and less from tv, I've taken notice of katu.com. It's not great content, but it is very nice that they video-podcast nearly every story. OPB Radio beats all with every individual story in MP3 format (and more relevant reporting), but katu.com is tops in video content. This may lead to more people actually watching 2's tv version, or not. One thing, kgw.com's excessive registration requirements keep people away...

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree about kgw's registration requirements--it's too difficult to remember passwords to begin with :( BUT, katu.com is VERY user-friendly and easy to access video from newscasts. I don't know much about web to broadcast statistics, but at least for newspapers, the more people visit your newspaper's website, the more they'll want a subscription.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It could also have something to do with the TV Guide Channel constantly flashing that you should switch to Channel 2.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget, KGW's Kyle Iboshi broke the Brooke Willberger case on the air Tuesday. First by a long shot.
Within hours they were everywhere, including New Mexico.
For years now, they have known how to take control of a story and make it theirs.
I tune to them whenever I want to know what's going on with a story like Willberger.
But, it sure would have been nice to see C.W. as part of that coverage.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyon 12:52,

Kyle broke the story? Why wasn't he live in Corvalis along with 4 crews KATU had? The fact is KATU was working the story all day long, and KGW and the rest played catch-up.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol..hardly. KGW had that one by a long shot, with jimmy on the island by no later then 6am monday, and with the inside jail scoop. thats kinda hard to beat. in any case KATU spent the whole damn day talking to the panty thief, which is now less then relevant. If KATU really wants to compete, they will need to bore the carbs on there astro, because a 17 hour delay is unacceptable, at least in the shops I have worked at.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you suggesting that any diaries which could have recorded the move on August 1, have already been tabulated --- and are somehow magically impacting the ratings?

Your second paragraph has no basis in reality, and suggests you know very little about the ratings game.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm an exclusive Channel 8 TV viewer, and an exclusive Channel 2 website user. Channel 8's registration is an absolute no-go.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I'm always at least 80 years old and living at the coast when I log into Oregon Live!

Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been in the ratings game since '79, bub. Shows what you know. And what’s impacting the ratings is the shear force of personality, and the wardrobes. I wager, within 18 months KGW will be the only game intown. Start packing your bags all others. Your 15 minutes are up.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the wardrobe"???....pardon me, but wardrobe and makeup at KGW is in dire need of major makeover. The Rege dark shirts? Shirt collars a size or 2 too large....Nancy Francis' glasses and overall dowdy wardrobe. Ch 8 really needs to take a look at the on air presence of many of their personalities.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For sure. They should hire Gucci or some shit to redo them. Like McDonalds did. Maybe some nice British-style 3-buttons. And for gods sakes, lay off the hair gel.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Graphics Monkey said...

historian said:

Now if KATU could only dump the Fisher graphics package and come up with a modern & sophisticated look. I think it would help them move closer to KGW and farther from KOIN.


You wouldn't believe how much the design department at the Deuce probably wishes they could do that. Or more probably they could get out from under the thumb of the "Art Director" at KOMO.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

katu has been doing a lot of things right for a long time now and viewers are finally noticing. katu's brooke wilberger coverage has been top-notch. sending steve dunn to cover the news conference in corvallis yesterday was an outstanding move and the information susan harding has been able to collect from new mexico has been unmatchable by any other station.
also....I sense that the addition of carl click is going to make a big difference in katu's morning ratings.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of graphics, the kgw.com Brooke Wilberger graphic is really disturbing. A photo of the victim, with a smiling mug shot of the alleged murderer behind her? Yuck.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And what’s impacting the ratings is the shear force of personality, and the wardrobes. I wager, within 18 months KGW will be the only game intown."

Oh man!!! You've been watching too much local TV. Stumptown style reporters and out of date hairstyles... KATU may be plain Jane, but at least they're not holding onto styles from the early 90's. This whole market needs a lesson in style.
It's like a TV News version of SNL's Pulbic Radio skit. ew hot mic, hot mic. Quit dressing like you're going to a PTA meeting and suit up.

Maxx

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tracy Barry - needs to restyle her butch cut.

Laurel Porter - has a feminine mullet.

Brenda Braxton - very sharp look, but stop whispering the news to me.

Nancy Francis - sharp, smart look.

John Becker - has his gel hair changed since college?

Bruce Sussman - you sound like a 13 year old. Just don't cut your hair like one.

Stephanie Strickland - mute the lipstick. Too Ronald McDonald

Anyone disagree?

Oh, and to keep to the subject...
The Wilberger case had too much coverage. If you think about it, there's no reason I needed to know about this information right away.
The stations were only trying to be first on everything for self promotion. Good marketing. Bad news style.

Maxx

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well,I think it accurately reflects there viewership. Obviously, people can better relate to people that look like them. If it was hipified, it might come off a little too gay and fashionable, making viewers uncomfortable.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's like a TV News version of SNL's Pulbic Radio skit. ew hot mic, hot mic.

The "hot mic" skit was not the Public Radio skit, but rather the Marty Culp and Bobbie Mohan-Culp skit where Will Ferrell and Anna Gasteyer play the keyboard at middle-school assemblies.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why does someone always end up criticizing the way people look?
The KGW folks are all great on-air personalities and look professional.

I don't know how accurate the Neilsens are, but my subjective read is that more of my friends are watching KATU.

KGW puts out a great product, there is no way KATU is going to suddenly topple them. But I think they are closing rather than slipping.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So ... why was KATU on Comcast channel 4 in the first place?????

I remember a few years ago when Comcast (AT&T/TCI?) reorganized the channels. They moved KOIN back to 6 (from 5) and KPTV back to 12 (from 7). Why did KATU stay at 4? (do I use parenparenthesis too much?) (maybe so)

And speaking of cable ... here's my wish. I wish that instead of Comcast selling the Basic package or the Extended package, I wish they'd let us choose what channels we want. Sell us a "20 channel package" or a 30 channel package" and let us pick and choose which ones we want. That would be a true test of which networks are really being watched and which ones are just taking up space.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me see if I understand this.
KATU hires a criminal "expert" who was known as Thumper -- for obvious reasons -- by other officers who were concerned about he treated prisoners.

He protected a KGW reporter who refused to listen to police orders when she was covering the shooter downtown and we later learned she was his girl friend and future wife.

Then he parties with drug users and has to use "pain" killers.

Come on folks, there are better ex cops out there we can respect.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cause they look f'n stoopid. Is it really that hard to keep a current look?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe they were on 4 because channel 2 on cable is notorious for ghosting. Comcast seems to have fixed that somehow, though.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry. Yes, I had a "hot mic" SNL mixup. How I wish those days were back instead of the terrible 4 minute skits that drag on.

Do the KGW folks look professional for this market? Yes! If you want to stand out and keep your edge, then think about looking a bit more polished (not edgy. that's Fox Newschannel which looks cheap and whore-ish.) I just think stations in this market could gain viewership, including KATU, if they changed the look of talent.

As far as KATU. It's slowly coming together, internally, no matter how many mistakes News Director Mike Rausch makes.
He gets no kudos for being on top of the Wilberger story. That fell in his lap because a great KATU reporter got a tip.
Get me an exclusive interview with the mother of the alledged killer or something. Then, I'll watch.
Right now, all the stations are just teasing me. Gimme some steak instead of a look at the menu.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Comcast sold viewers their own "preferred" packages, then local stations would get PISSED!!

correct me if I'm wrong please, but I believe the locals pay money to be carried on Comcast. And THAT allows Comcast to sell packages like McDonald's sells meal deals. It may not be want you want but it covers the bases (the lowest common denominator) and if you want to supersize, you can!!!

Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KATU has benefitted from consistency. They haven't been scooping everyone, but when your onair people aren't on a merry-go-round like KOIN, that helps. So they'll pull away from 6 until KOIN stops looking like the best reality show soap opera in town. As for KGW, their ratings are sliding back for some unknown reason. I wouldn't chirp so loud as some of the other posters. It doesn't mean a thing till the fall.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't believe my eyes last night, i saw kptv do a story on some kids making a prank call. I know this is off subject...but what the hell?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It doesn't mean a thing until Fall?"

Stop thinking small market!!!

That's what is wrong with people in this town. You need to get out into the REAL world and see what's coming down the road.

People meters are probably just around the corner, which will mean that EVERY DAY counts.

Maxx

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well deserved.

KATU is MILES ahead of the other stations.

This is why ratings are bullshit so you can justify ridiculous rates to unsuspecting advertisers.

KATU has had low numbers for many years but their newscast was always superior.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This thread is exactly why TV news is dead. Hair, clothing and watching ratings. How about covering the NEWS. Sorry about the girls death, but what the hell does that have to do with most people in the area? How does that effect them? Shoving mic in the families face is ambulance chaser news. Total Garbage.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what a disgrace

local "news" has 15 minutes of Brooke Wilberger followed by some idiotic story about martha stewart

NOT ONE WORD IN YOUR "NEWSCAST" THAT 14 MARINES WERE KILLED IN IRAQ

YOU ARE SICK SICK BASTARDS

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

local coverage of the wilberger story is disgusting

how clever of KOIN 6 news, oh i'm sorry, KOIN news 6, to have sent the latino fella tim maestas down to New Mexico.

if the suspect had been arrested in atlanta or washington dc, then we would have seen big daddy ed whalen covering the story or maybe ken boddie.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>KGW puts out a great product

not one word 8/3/05 on kgw that 14 marines were killed in iraq

what fucking planet are you on pal?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets see what cop you could use on-air. Charles Moose who screamed and berated everyone? Derrick Foxworth who spent thousands of taxpayer dollars on cell phone calls to his girlfriend/wife he claimed was an informant?

Bernie Guisto? That Jeddaloh story is waiting to burst.

The list goes on.

Just like the mud the O threw at Randy Leonard in their story on cop pensions.

Its nice that we can all take shots at other people anonymously. On things that happened many years ago. And they don't even have to be true!

Signed,

An anonymous person (who has never done anything wrong my entire life.)

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't beat up on KGW. They are on top of the pile.

But give credit to KATU.

Hey, someday even KOIN will come around.

And people are watching KPTV.

So people are watching what they like, even though we all have our own likes and dislikes about others in the industry.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well no crap people are watching what they like. It's called diversification which I'm surprised this town has. (77% white). sorry just a culture dig there.

AND...
"how clever of KOIN 6 news, oh i'm sorry, KOIN news 6, to have sent the latino fella tim maestas down to New Mexico."

Did you ever stop to think this is the only FREAKIN' reporter who may speak another language? It's New Mexico dork. I would have done the same thing anywhere in the Southwest. (so long as he/she is a good reporter.)

It baffles me how introverted Oregonians and SW Washingtonians can be. What are you? China? And I'm only speaking to the sheltered Northwesterners who have only spent their lives learning about the outside world on-line or through TV.
Take it from me... I was the same way until I left the Northwest for 8 years.
Maxx

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger douchebag sal said...

>And people are watching KPTV

how about selling some advertising to speak of

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>Did you ever stop to think this is the only FREAKIN' reporter who may speak another language? It's New Mexico dork. I would have done the same thing anywhere in the Southwest. (so long as he/she is a good reporter.)


how about sending no one. what is the point? what are you idiots reporting on? what the suspect had for breakfast? are the scoop reportes going to get an exclusive interview with the suspect and the get him to confess?

in the meantime you stupid clueless monkeys have not ONE WORD that 14 marines were killed in iraq.
SHAME ON YOU
and don't kid yourself that you are a news director, you are an entertainment programming segment cordinator

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tim Maestas worked in Alb., N.M. before coming to KOIN...so maybe, just mybe, they thought he would know the territory.

Just musin'...

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>Did you ever stop to think this is the only FREAKIN' reporter who may speak another language? It's New Mexico dork. I would have done the same thing anywhere in the Southwest. (so long as he/she is a good reporter.)

thats what i said, if the story was in atlanta they would have sent ed whalen to cover it.

you confirm exactly what i said

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:18:00 PM  
Blogger douchebag sal said...

>>And people are watching KPTV

i think it could be renamed the blaine hartleib 10 o clock news.

hes really propping you guys up financially

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tim worked in Albuquerque before going to KOIN so he would know the lay of the land, have the contacts, etc. They would be fools NOT to send him.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry. I thought the guy was criticizing the sending of KOIN's guy to NM.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maxx- chill out dude. You still have NW anger issues that need to be dealt with.

We are all just doing our jobs.

Heres how it works. We go into our morning/afternoon meetings and are assigned stories to report.

We aren't trying to irritate anyone, just trying to do the work in the parameters we face that day.

Maybe there is no Emmy winning performance, but its the news of the day.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can I ask the blogmaster to post this discussion?

What do viewers want to see on the news? Give viewers and media insiders a voice.
What makes you like the newscast YOU watch? What would make you switch? I think many people enjoy clicking from one to the other, but what branding or details about the broadcast make you stay?

Just a thought.
Maxx

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't have NW anger issues. I understand TV reporters in this market are herded like sheep into the morning or afternoon meetings; assigned a story (possibly enterprised); then run out to get SOTs from the neighbors who say "I can't believe this happened on my block."
It's not your fault. It's the ND's fault. You're either scared of saying "there's no story here." or you're just calling it in every day.
And, I'm not surprised a reporter would argue my statement of getting culture outside the NW. Most of the reporters in this market came from a far off lands known as Eugene, Spokane, Yakima, and Boise.
When I encourage people to spread their wings I refer to those who don't objectively look at the local market. It's fairly easy to tell when mid-20 year old producers criticize the news. Their view is fairly narrow.
But I digress. I should have stayed on subject. I'll try to do so. Sorry folks.
Maxx (at least I'm not completely anonymous.)

Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Heres how it works. We go into our morning/afternoon meetings and are assigned stories to report."

I think you forgot a crucial step: You all take a look at The Oregonian in the morning to see what they beat you on and then try to figure out how you can report the story you missed in a way that pretends the largest newspaper in the Northwest isn't setting the town's news agenda every day. The O set PDX's TV news agenda, just as thew NY Times sets the national broadcast nightly news agenda. The O will survive as long as local TV news reporters can't do their own in-depth reporting and Annas Song is showing up at funerals to give unethical eulogies for murder victims she covers.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those of us, the lowly viewer, would like to see some insightful, detailed reportage on the local political scene. With the current players, WW shouldn't be the only organ giving us the play by play.

I recall, for example, Floyd Smith and of course, Tom McCall, as political commentators who were great.

Recall also Dick Klinger's Sunday night call-in with the Mayor (who shall remain nameless lest a new stream of vitriol spew forth).

A more rounded-out version of the local news (comprised of more than crime) would be nice.

Now the $40 question: would it really lead to greater ratings?

P.S. I'm not a fan of NPR/Lehrer and I don't own even one pair of Birkenstocks.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>Annas Song is showing up at funerals to give unethical eulogies for murder victims she covers.

or that mexican guy, the anchor on kptv, and the look at his family life at home with the kids. whats next, a peek at tracy barrys vagina?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to know how KGW claimed Kyle Iboshi "broke" the story of Brooke Wilberger when all he did was report what the CNN folks were telling him? It seemed me like the big 8 was playing catch up to KATU, since it looked like they'd been on top of the story since early Tuesday.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CW's got his issues but I'll take his commentary AND DAY over Charlie Mathews. Can we say snore?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone else have a problem with news "reporters" (and phtogs for that matter)who go into the morning/afternoon meeting and wait to be spoonfed their story for the day? Why don't you go into the meeting with a few great story ideas and fight for them like real journalists? Helpless victims of management? It's pure laziness and/or lack of talent.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's happened before - viewers tune into K2 for the big stories. Yesterday was no different, despite the complete technical meltdown 2's field crew experienced right as the 5pm show began. 8's product was cleaner, easier to digest and it sure looked pretty with the Brady Bunch squeeze box...but the numbers don't lie. OR viewers just couldn't pull their eyeballs away when things appeared to be going wrong on 2.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

katu is good. the numbers should rise as people watch it and realize the other channels air talent is horrible.

the air talent at katu, with the exception of amature rhonda shelby, who has no business training on the air, are pleasant to watch and listen to.

koin: jeff gianola is not too bad but kelly day and the rest of the amature hour air talent has got to go. getting rid of a watchable, likeable and talented dave sweeney is beyond idiotic, especially when you see what replaced him

kgw: the air talent makes me want to vomit. all of them; tracy barry, joe donlon, the reporters and especially stephanie (who everyone nauseatingly calls "steph")strickland.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anyone else have a problem with news "reporters" (and phtogs for that matter)who go into the morning/afternoon meeting and wait to be spoonfed their story for the day? Why don't you go into the meeting with a few great story ideas and fight for them like real journalists? Helpless victims of management? It's pure laziness and/or lack of talent."

hear, hear...people who don't show up with at least one idea should be shot. here's a question for this blog community: which reporters and photogs consistently bring in ideas and fight for them as if they care? and which ones are just happy to take on whatever producer's whim they're assigned for the day?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:07:00 PM  
Blogger douchebag sal said...

>I'd like to know how KGW claimed Kyle Iboshi "broke" the story of Brooke Wilberger

because this way they have content for a promo to air as fill for the overpriced, overhyped unsold inventory

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There'd be precious few reporters standing if the one's sans story ideas were shot.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"how clever of KOIN 6 news, oh i'm sorry, KOIN news 6, to have sent the latino fella tim maestas down to New Mexico."

KOIN didn't send Tim. His last day of work at KOIN was about ten days ago. Went back to KQRE where he came from originally.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw Joe Donlon at the Silverado the other night, and I have to say, he is way more charming in person then comes across on the TV.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>Don't forget, KGW's Kyle Iboshi broke the Brooke Willberger case on the air Tuesday

no he did not

in fact i called my buddies back in atlanta at cnn

they were laughing so hard about this and how "scoop" iboshi simply reported what he heard on cnn

kgw are goddamn liars

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>I saw Joe Donlon at the Silverado the other night

the silverado, can't see it.
the glory hole, that i can see.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>KOIN didn't send Tim. His last day of work at KOIN was about ten days ago

how nice of koin to lie and mis-represent. how professional.

he was introduced and appeared as "tim maestas koin news 6"

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, I was the one who was there, so its not like you would know, ok?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

koin news 6"? hee hee

Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>I think you forgot a crucial step: You all take a look at The Oregonian in the morning to see what they beat you on and then try to figure out how you can report the story you missed in a way that pretends the largest newspaper in the Northwest isn't setting the town's news agenda every day.

your giving all the secrets away!

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was flipping back and forth on Tuesday, and KGW's 5 pm cast led with Kyle Iboshi's report that an arrest had been made. KATU said only that there was a major development in the case. I didn't see anything on CNN but maybe I missed it.

How did KGW get Courtney's former shrink to spill about his preference for violent sex? I didn't see that anywhere else.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i have found a way to make money on e-bay

i record the priceless local newscasts from portland and sell them on e-bay.

they are in high demand and command top dollar as the rest of the world pays this kind of money to see how news is done in a top-notch, professional manner.

oh, before i forget, the university of missouri at columbia is a big customer, they use the tapes to show the undergrads how the pros in portland media get the job done

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>How did KGW get Courtney's former shrink to spill about his preference for violent sex? I didn't see that anywhere else

no one else is that irresponsible

this type of maggot reporting will only result in a gag order being placed on you lo-lifers

your irresponsibility will only accelerate this process

the trial is held in a court of law, not some parasite tv newscast

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>the trial is held in a court of law, not some parasite tv newscast

provided we even get to a trial in this area

this type of reporting will taint a prospective jury and the trial will ultimatly have a change of venue, thanks to scum reporting like kgw

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>no one else is that irresponsible

You're saying, then, that everyone else had it, and chose not to use it?

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When people are worrying about the ratings in the middle of summer, they need to look in the mirror. You've got issues.. go talk to the sales department about how important those summer ratings are. But KATU moving to channel 2 on cable is pretty big. Guess we'll have to wait until November to find out how much of a difference it makes.

By the way, Tim Maestas is no longer at KOIN. He transferred back to their sister station in Albuquerque.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know its hot, but this is too much. Lets cut out the name calling and stick to the facts and opinions.
KATU got a tip early Tuesday that something was coming down on Wednesday afternoon. They worked the story and kicked behind at 5 with multiple lives, Then CNN tipped off Everyone about Courtney in New Mexico. And the Corvallis PIO rolled over and confirmed much of the story that was going to be the subject of the newser on Wednesday.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Joe Donlon/Silverado thing is a joke, right? He has a wife and three kids, not that he'd be the first with a beard.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As long as we're joking about what KOIN calls themselves, they've also been "Newsroom 6" and "Newscenter 6." (I learned that by listening to old opens here.)

By the way, Watcher, you might want to add a link here.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, KGW has been "News 8," and of course KATU's been Kaytwo, K-A-T-U, Kaytwo again, Channel 2 News, Kaytwo News, and probably some other stuff. I know it was originally Kaytwo because occasionally they play the birth of the station, in which an announcer proclaims that this is "Kaytwo."

Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am I the only person who thinks CW Jensen is unwatchable? I had to turn the channel whenever he was on KGW. Nothing personal, but that guy gives me the creeps, and I know nothing about him personally.
Maybe for people who've lived here forever he has some kind of a draw, but for a relatively new transplant to Oregon, I just don't get it.
Something about those eyes....

Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course the Donlon thing is a joke. But its nice to know some of us have been on stark street.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

once again tonight KATU had solid coverage on the Brooke investigation.

which is where we started 80 some comments ago. I think Steve Dunn is good and I like KATU coverage.

I agree with the other posters, C.W. Jensen is many things, but if you want to hear a real cop talk about real cop stuff, he is the guy. KATU mentioned tonight that he did the Dodd case, the guy who killed the young boys in the late 80's. So for me, thats the guy I like to listen to. Most of these corvallis cops and the Benton CO. DA have never been in this kind of situation so its interesting to hear from a guy who has sent a guy to the gas chamber.

KATU gets my vote on the Brooke coverage as of today.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do they have Neilsen boxes in Vancouver or Salem? If they count those cities as part of the market, how do you count viewers in a metro area of more than 1.5 million with 500 families?

I would love to have someone from Neilsen give an answer as to how their statistics are valid. Not just in this market, but anywhere.

Anyone have any info on how their
stats are allegedly correct?


This would probably be a good question to ask on another day. I don't know anyone who can explain how this system works.

Thank you.

Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay enough with the racist and homophobic blogsters hiding behind the anonymity of this site. 12's male anchor, Wayne Garcia should be proud of KP's success..they have great numbers and he is certainly partly responsible...oh and he happens to be Latino. Joe Donlon has never heard of the Silverado, but there are many working in this market that have. Lets keep this blogsite somewhat mature and refrain from the Karl Roving of the mediainsider.

Friday, August 05, 2005 8:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some facts:
In this area, 1 rating point = roughly 10,000 viewers.

Rhonda Shelby is not an amature. Whether you like her or not, she's a veteran meteorologist with more than 20 years experience in TV News.

All stations look at the paper and online for story spins. And vice versa.

Reporters who don't enterprise their own stories ARE sometimes shot.

Stations can use marketing tricks. They're allowed to claim ownership of any LOCAL story, so long as they subscribe to the national news service who broke it. (e.g. CNN, Associated Press.)

A station who says, "Now we go to KXXX's so and so" is allowed to claim ownership of that reporter because the report is being done for them.
Just imagine if you have a freelancer or contractor working for you or with you. You still include them under your brand's umbrella. Think about it.
It's better marketing to say "KXXX's Jane Doe reporting." instead of "KXYZ's Jane Doe is reporting for KXXX."
AND usually KXXX pays for that satellite window, so for that 2 minutes the reporter IS yours.

MAXX

Friday, August 05, 2005 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous rear view mirror said...

And think about this --

If KOIN had explained Tim's situation ("Tim used to work for us, and now he's with our sister station in Alb., and he's rejoining us for this report...") -- think of all the "who cares" posts we'd be seeing...

Damned if you do....

Friday, August 05, 2005 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>I'd like to know how KGW claimed Kyle Iboshi "broke" the story of Brooke Wilberger

yeah, no way in hell. because KATU was already reporting on this sunday night. A full 48 hours before KGW

Friday, August 05, 2005 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can you call me a homophobe? would I even have been at the Silverado if I was a homophobic? exactly..

Friday, August 05, 2005 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unless you made the whole thing up.

Friday, August 05, 2005 2:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I prefer Scandals over Silverado.
The problem with gay bars in Portland is there are too many straight people hanging out in them.

5000 hetro bars and every 22 year old girl wants to dance at the Embers.

Oh, I guess I've gone off topic.

Friday, August 05, 2005 5:16:00 PM  
Anonymous rex said...

In reference to earlier posts:

female mullet is called a "femullet"

CW's girlfriend was arrested during flood coverage in '96 while trying to cross a police line. KPTV's crew showed up to the scene early and got in before the police closed the area. She saw them come out, demanded equal access and wouldn't shut up. Cops cuffed her and hauled her off. That's my understanding of the situation.

BTW, did anyone other that KPTV have a report from Utah where Brooke went to college?

Friday, August 05, 2005 8:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Max Headroom said...

Most of those audio clips on the "SouthernMedia News Music Search Archive" came from my personnel video collection, but I did not authorize the site to post the clips. I originally gave the clips to a guy in Indiana who gave them to the owner of that site.

Back in the early-90's, the public television show NOVA did an entire show about television ratings. It was determined that ratings are becoming more accurate, but still have a long way to go. That show was broadcasted during sweeps.

Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding KATU's air staff:

Wasn't Rhonda Shelby in the KATU promotions department when they lost a weather person? Since she has some on-air experence, they tossed on camera as a weather person?

Sports means very little on local news these days. That being said, I think Ron Carlson is the WORST sports guy in Portland TV history. I can't stand listening to him and his stupid ass comments that he thinks are so great. An example, "----- must have thought he was in the kitchen because he was cookin' tonight." Hey Ron, shut up and just give me the scores! Katy Brown is more attractive in person than on TV, but the most unprofessional reporter in town. It's sickening to watch her in the Blazer locker room after a game. Is she in there as a reporter as someone trying to find a date? It's be nice to see her in there one time not putting her hands on the person she's interviewing.

Saturday, August 06, 2005 3:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: story assignments.

There is a great reporter at KGW who often suggests original story ideas in the morning meetings, only to be sent off on a story in the daily O.

But the funniest thing of all is many times the Oregonian's story is about an idea the reporter had already pitched and had been shot down.

I don't think the managers even realize they are doing it.

I would like to see one station, for one week, let reporters and photographers do whatever they thought were the best stories of the day. I think it would be a week of great original stories and we would still cover the "BIG" story of the day.

Saturday, August 06, 2005 3:53:00 PM  
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Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW...what a list of off topic garbage? Does anyone even remember that the original topic was KATU moving to Ch. 2 on Comcast? Yet less than 5 posts were on topic. Instead you decided to talk about
- KATU vs. KGW (and others)
- Brooke W's irrelevant coverage
- And how Joe Donlon likes glory holes and something about Tracy Barry's vagina

Most of you are SO arrogant about how your shop is the best, but if CNN broke the story first and all of you were chasing them, I guess you are actually all saying that we should be watching CNN on cable rather than wasting our time with second rate PDX broadcast news.

Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, 12:48, it got us over 100 comments, didn't it? I think this is evidence that we need an official PDX Media Watch forum, with most recent posts running down the side of the blog. (I can do that if you want help, Watcher.)

Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:27:00 AM  
Blogger PDXMediaWatcher said...

I wouldn't mind learning. Send me an email - pdxmediawatch at gmail.com

Sunday, August 07, 2005 7:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7 count em' SEVEN breaking news bumpers on the kptv 8/7/05 10p broadcast

i smell emmy AND pulitzed

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Let me see if I understand this.
KATU hires a criminal "expert" who was known as Thumper -- for obvious reasons -- by other officers who were concerned about he treated prisoners.

He protected a KGW reporter who refused to listen to police orders when she was covering the shooter downtown and we later learned she was his girl friend and future wife.

Then he parties with drug users and has to use "pain" killers.

Come on folks, there are better ex cops out there we can respect."


What is this guy talking about? Thumper? Where would you even hear that from? The way he treated prisoners? What does that even mean?

Yeah, he protected Brinias, because he could, I guess. Maybe if your girlfriend/boyfriend acted stupid, and got themself in trouble and you had the authority to get her out, and deal with her later...you would. Why not? I guess I don't understand how such a trivial thing could possibly matter in the scheme of life...

And I guess I don't understand your accusations of CW Jensen partying with drug dealers? Drug dealers? Who would he know that deals drugs? Buddy, before you start posting this stuff without even doing a little research...maybe you should take a look around and realize typing random lies usually looks bad. Plus, you just make an ass out of yourself...and is that what you really want?

Don't post these claims if you can't back em up, and you don't know the individual.

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kgw rules channel 2 is a low class news station I will never watch 2 just kgw there the best.

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