Sunday, August 21, 2005



Anonymous Splicer said...

So, PDXMediaWatcher, hiatus coming to an end soon?

Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:07:00 PM  
Blogger PDXMediaWatcher said...

Relatively soon. Working on a new site.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:42:00 PM  
Blogger Christiana said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck, "Mike"!

(Apologies to BoJack. I had to steal that one!)

Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody read the Sunday paper?

What the hell is it with the O.

This horse choker 3 part series on a guy who quits a law firm to work for the DA is just too much. Story could be told in one day.

Boring, dry and no drama. What a waste of space. No wonder they're losing readers.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You inspired me to start my own little blog. Not a good idea to link to it though.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please don't give up or Lars Larson wins.

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Tired of the bull#@!& said...

To PDX Media Insider: Don't let the trolls who post only negative comments discourage you from producing your blog. Your idea to spark intellegent discussion about Portland media is a good one!

To everyone else: Wise up! Those of you who just want to make this another pdxradio need to back off and find another sandbox to piss in. Let those of us who want to intellegently dissect Portland Media do so without your rancor.

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous the5 said...

Wow. I really wish I'd found this site sooner. I've certainly got some reading here to do...

Great site - I wonder when the hiatus will end?

Monday, August 22, 2005 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe you could distribute a password for the new site to the different media outlets. keep out the trolls.

Monday, August 22, 2005 1:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Education Professional said...

However the new site is configured, I hope it will not be restricted to industry insiders only. I've learned a great deal since this site started, and would greatly appreciate an opportunity for continued participation.

Monday, August 22, 2005 2:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Some guy said...

As a media insider, I don't mind useful public feedback, but I get all I can handle at work. In its original incarnation, this site attracted some remarkably candid discussion among some of the leading people in media here, mainly anonymously or under thinly veiled screen names. Then after word got out, it devolved into a site for special interests and opinionated nonmedia people to advocate for coverage of their causes and to flame the media for failing to reflect their biases. What immediately stopped was the juicy insider stuff, and the trolls moved in, looking for a fight. I hope "Mike" ends up with a registration and password system; I'm not about to post under my actual identity--like many people who've visited here, it's way too public. But under a screen name, with an agreement to follow the rules, you bet. I've missed this.

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:35:00 PM  
Blogger The One True b!X said...

Hopefully, someone has stepped up to help PMI switch to Typepad, Moveable Type, or Wordpress to take advantage of better tools for managing commenters than Blogger provides.

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:45:00 PM  
Anonymous gnossos said...

It's your house - do what you need to do to keep this site aligned with your intentions. If that means keeping out the outsiders so be it. As a "non-media person" I have enjoyed your efforts and the comments of most folks and just want all you "insiders" to know that it has been educational in that I am now reading and watching with a little better understanding of the issues you face. Keep up the good work.

Monday, August 22, 2005 3:51:00 PM  
Blogger PDXMediaWatcher said...

I appreciate every piece of constructive insight. I really do.

Monday, August 22, 2005 5:17:00 PM  
Blogger Christiana said...

I wanted to add that I have enjoyed this website and I hope that it says. It has given me some insight in how to present an intelligent case to the media when I want to get an issue covered.

Thank you and hope that you don't go away.

Monday, August 22, 2005 5:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From a longtime media vet in town, let me add my support to what you're doing here.

To hell with the trolls. If they appear, we just read past them.

Keep up what you're doing because it is being read and talked about in town.

That's a good thing.

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm new to this blog, and a former Tribune employee.

I just read your past blogs including the "Gossip" blog on June 13th when you said:

"Look for layoffs and more changes when the Trib moves to Clackamas this summer. Same with KPAM. The money pit is only so deep."

So what's the inside scoop now, since the last one was so dead on?

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:16:00 PM  
Anonymous The Asian Reporter said...

Live on PMI! This blog helped me feel more connected to my fellow media slaves, in some strange way. It IS helpful, even consoling, to know that other people in other newsrooms in this town share the same challenges. Besides, it makes for a rather nice diversion from an otherwise bleak news day. And this is coming from someone who was zinged more than a couple of times in the course of blog discussion.

Monday, August 22, 2005 6:58:00 PM  
Blogger CCEPDX said...

It now appears that Portland MSM is in the business of practising psychiatry based on "red flag" buzz phrases (see Challenge post and comments). A theory originating God Knows Where. I have observed that it is typical herabouts, when anyone starts to broach real and fundamental issues for media "insiders" to throw hissy coniptions that cut off serious discussion. Some true impartiality; it seems, rather, formulaic. The LAST thing Portland needs is for media types ot become More self-focused, arrogant and exclusive.

Monday, August 22, 2005 7:35:00 PM  
Anonymous allehseya said...

Argh! I come here hoping to find discussion on the Oregonian's move that corresponds with b!X 'demand' of the Tribune only to find a Hiatus?? Come out, come out -- wherever you are!

Monday, August 22, 2005 9:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey ccepdx...this bc bud's a bitch, eh?

Monday, August 22, 2005 9:54:00 PM  
Anonymous dotyoureyes said...

Consider this another cheering comment... and I'll echo what b!x said about switching to MT or TypePad for help controlling comments -- require registration using an anonymous email address, and you should stop most of the trolls while maintaining the anonymity folks need to keep from getting into trouble at work.

Put out a call to help if you need some -- I'm sure folks will come to the rescue!

Monday, August 22, 2005 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey CCEPDX, aka Nutso,

Go peddle your BS somewhere else. But first see my response in "Challenges."

I've posted several times on this blog and consistently try to keep my comments constructive or, to the best of my ability, insightful.

I'm still waiting for you to name the reporters who blew you off.

You're the guy who's bitching about the media's failure to follow your lead. Who, specifically, failed you?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can require registration with Blogger as well, and suspend the account of anyone you want.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think this blog should be like going to a bar to talk shop with a few friends. You don't invite everyone, but you may meet some people at the bar who have nothing to do with the media biz, and they may have some interesting things to say you never would have thought of. But when an obnoxious guy butts in and starts ripping you and makes half baked arguments what do you do? YOu tell the guy to shove off.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:13:00 AM  
Blogger stan said...

But 9:13, what about lurkers like me? I find the discussion and shop talk interesting and thought-provoking, despite my being an outsider. I also know that unless I have anything constructive to say (and I probably won't), I won't say a word.

Hope you don't mind me listening in on the conversation. :)

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:25:00 AM  
Blogger douchebag sal said...

good riddance

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>intellegently dissect Portland Media do so without your rancor

portland nedia is a cesspool of nothningness so go beat on your chest somewhere else media shill

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Tired of the Bull$#!% said...

Portland media may not be perfect, but a "cesspool of nothingness" its not. As the previous comment indicates, maybe PMI is right. There may be just too many negative people for an intellegent discussion of this type to take place.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Lynn Siprelle said...

As a former media insider (OPB, KGW-TV and KINK) I love this site and if I can help you make a transition to a better system I'd love to. I specialize in Drupal installations only, not the blogging software b!x mentions above, but Drupal does everything they do (and more, but you wouldn't necessarily need more). Contact me if you're interested. I can keep a secret. ;)

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>It's your house - do what you need to do to keep this site aligned with your intentions. If that means keeping out the outsiders so be it

not ONE single person can refute/has refuted the fact that anyone that hosts a blog is simply a cyber-squatter and no different to what you label as "outsiders" or "trolls"

YOU ARE ALL OUTSIDERS AND TROLLS using a FREE system that you do not pay for or administer.

By the way, that would be Google (its their "house" fool) thats paying for this fantasy publisher thing that apparently makes you feel important

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back on August 17th, some anonymous poster said:

"I am always amazed by people who have the expectation the news produced by real newspapers should be free."

But why stop there? Why don't interviewees expect to get paid by news organizations, instead of just giving their information to reporters for free? Why do reporters expect to get their information for free? Do you really want information to become a commodity for sale up and down the board?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to change the subject, but to change the subject.... Whats up with the Big O's "Reorganization" of the Metro section. Sounds like they're making the newshole smaller to me. Any talk of layoffs on SW Broadway (and the many suburban bureaus) or is the L word still Verboten at the O?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:35:00 PM  
Anonymous RAH said...

Yeah, I wondered about that myself - less news from the suburban bureaus? This after the West bureau moved into swanky new digs in Cedar Hills.

PS: To a much earlier comment re the multi-part story about the lawyer quitting private practice and going to the DA's office - I completely agree. A total waste of space in the A section. People change career directions all the time. What made him special?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whenever I call a TV newsroom, it sounds like I've called an overwrought tweaker party. Having worked in newsrooms, I understand it, but if you think about it, if the atmosphere were a little calmer, the newscasts might be calmer, and less frightening.
Oh, I forgot, management wants it that way. Silly me. Sorry.
Think about it, though. The breathless voice on the other end of the line may be yours.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hang in there PDXMediaWatch. You're on to something with this site. My 2 cents: more gossip and less analyzing. Analyzing is absolutetly important, and a critical part of what you're doing here, but gossip helps keeps things lighter somehow.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:38:00 PM

"Why don't interviewees expect to get paid by news organizations, instead of just giving their information to reporters for free?"

I'm going to assume that this is a serious question.

First, if a source is paid, they have an incentive to say whatever the person paying them wants said. Public relations people are paid sources. Is that a good thing?

The Tribune paid one of the sources in their Michael Francke coverage. I seem to recall that the source suddenly remembered events differently. Is that a good thing?

Why do people talk to the press?

Some people talk to newspapers because they believe they have something important to say that is important.

Some are public officials who are accountable to the public. One of media's functions is to hold those, to whom the people have granted power, accountable.

Some people want to express their views on a subject or are willing to share their expertise.

Sme people just like attention and seeing their name in the paper.

For some, getting quoted on TV or a newspaper it is marketing device.

Some people have been accused of wrongdoing and want to comment on the charges.

Some people don't want to talk and say so.

Does that help?

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"more gossip and less analyzing"

Let me guess. You're a television reporter.

Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"more gossip and less analyzing"

Hey, you're right, it DOES sound like the perfect line for a promo during a ratings book.
People would flock.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI: the Tribune didn't pay anybody. re-read those stories.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 8-23 7:32..
You've got us now. It is an overwrought tweaker party. I've got four phone lines, about 150 scanner channels, constant e mail, a fax machine, four trucks, a helicopter, producers, the Rack, the copwire, the bat phone, Too much coffee, Three Networks, Newswires, ODOT Cams, Channels 2, 6, and First Live and Loco to monitor, I'm overdue for a trip to the john, and you on the phone listening to me try to stay calm. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, you love it. I fully understand the addiction. But then I did coke for a solid month in 1981 and then just stopped.
So shall you. Stop, I mean.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Some guy said...

Oh it's definitely a jones. It's also a unique skill. Hearing everything that moves on the scanners while working the phones and digging up information on the computer while under incredible deadline pressure is extremely hard, nearly impossible work for some, and an exhiliarating dash for others. I watched the people on the KGW desk working one afternoon and thought I was in ATC at O'Hare.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Try producing a LIVE network TV newcast with three live shots from three different continents and the satellite engineers are speaking three different languages.

Oh, the Khartoum window is just about to close due to a... coup!

Let's hope it's a bloody one.

But not too bloody.

God, I miss it.

The ridiculous money, that is.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:18:00 PM  
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