Wednesday, August 24, 2005

A Snack

A couple of things to chew on while I reconfigure:

Please join in with b!X, my friend Betsy at Metroblogging Portland and Blue Oregon to think about the O's September makeover. Is it for OregonLive? The paper itself (think Tuesday's Metro)?

Also, KOIN's parent company Emmis got rid of most of its TV stations this week, just not KOIN or the two stations it owns in Honolulu or the stations in Orlando, New Orleans, Wichita and Topeka. KOIN employees see three options - sold to Gannett (which is very interested), sold to the man who runs the TV ops now (who they believe is the architect of their demise), or kept in the Emmis fold.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like Big O says O No to East Metro. One story on page 4, buried under Clackamas County news. What gives?

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As long as they (Big O) lay off the freakin Beatlemania stories I will be happy. As a non-baby boomer, I really fail to see the need for a couple of stories a year about the one time that the Beatles came to Portland. I know there are bigger issues with news coverage than what's in the Living section, but this one really baffles me.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Beatlemania.

On the op-ed page of the NY Times today (Wed 8/24), there is an article my Mikhail Gilmore about why the Beatles still matter.

He also talks about seeing in concert them as a the Memorial Coliseum in Portland....

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Living Section is in very very bad shape, except for Shawn Levy. I can read most of those pieces online, on news sites. It used to have a fine base of interesting freelancers, each with a different style.
Does anybody at the O care about style? There are no poets there.

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about, oh, I dunno, better integration between the print and web? How about archives going back more than 14 days? How about ending once and for all the stoopid requirement that you enter your age and zip code (I am a 103 year old woman from upstate NY when I register) to read the articles? How about a front page for the website that doesn't look like something I designed for a college class website in 1995?

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 4:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I noticed today's Oregonian Business section contained no - repeat, no - local business news unless one counts a puff piece on a local boutique that could have been written a month ago.

And the Tribune decided business news was not a market niche for them???

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the hell does all this stuff have to do with KOIN?

Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we stay on topic just a LITTLE BIT? This is a blog, not a public forum. There are plenty of those out there for general discussion.

Now, as for KOIN, Does anyone know why Emmis decided to keep KOIN when it got rid of so many others? It's not actually making money, is it?

Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ana announcement regarding KOIN and the remaining (six) other Emmis TV stations is expected in a couple of weeks. And yes, KOIN makes money, lots of it, as do all TV stations.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 4:03pm anonymous --- maybe we should get together.... when I log onto Oregon Live, I'm a 97 year old man from Flushing NY! What a total waste of time.

And I'd be willing to bet that they arbitrarily throw out the age & zip responses they "think" are fake, and report the ones they like to advertisers.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:29:00 AM  
Blogger Ponypow said...

Emmis, whose roots are in radio, is selling ALL of its 16 television stations. The TV group is a mix of medium and small markets of various affiliations so it was unlikely to be sold as a group to one buyer. It is being sold to reputable owners with the first 9 announced earlier this week. The whole group is projected to bring in 1.3 Billion which could trigger other owners to put up for sale signs on medium and small market stations. KOIN and the Emmis Orlando WB station have gotten lots of interest from prospective buyers as they are the largest markets that Emmis has to offer.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm a 1 year old living downtown

Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the business news issue is a valid one. the o's biz coverage sux -- i don't know how many reporters they have on the business beat, but that section is routinely filled with wire stories and one or two pieces from the staff, and that's on a good day. to my knowledge, no one on this blog has yet discussed the business journal, which is now just about the only valid, moderately reliable venue for business news in portland.

and this is on topic, y'all, as one of the questions posed here was about the o's makeover. for my money, they missed a few spots in their overhaul, including the biz section. not everyone here genuflects to the tv stations.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

for my money, they missed a few spots in their overhaul, including the biz section.

Er, the overhaul isn't until September.

And with all the intrusive registration out there, you guys are bitching about having to punch in a birth year, gender and zip code one time and then never again? This is how this stuff might possibly remain free for your cheap asses. It's advertising or pay-for-it-your-own-damn-self, folks.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boy you guys really are TV experts. KOIN is going to be sold and here's why. Emmis' initial sale of 9 stations brought in about $600 million. That knocked down their debt from $1.6 billion to $1 billion. The 7 remaining stations will likely generate more money than the first 9. You think the stockholders are happy with the company in debt? How about the owner, Jeff Smulyan, since he has the most stock? You better believe Emmis is working hard to erase as much as that $1 billion as possible. It's all about black and red.

As for whether KOIN is profitable, nearly all TV stations make money. It's just a matter of how much. I have a GM friend that will tell you it's all about the bottomline and it doesn't matter how you get there. He once ran a station that was third in ratings. But that wasn't a big deal because it was the most profitable station in the market. Ratings are just part of the equation. While you may have the most people watching, you may not necessarily be making the most money.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gannett is a GREAT company to work for. I did.

They treat their people well and there are HUGE opportunities to move up, to WUSA or USA Today if anyone at KOIN really thinks they are better than the Number 25 or 26 market.

And they do real news, not missing blonde drunk chicks who shoulda known better.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"you guys are bitching about having to punch in a birth year, gender and zip code one time and then never again?"

If you purge your cookies (nice visual, there) you have to enter it again. If you purge regularly, you regularly have to re-enter. No big deal, but annoying if you are in mid-surf and hit that damn registration page...again.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oregonlive: I have my browser (Mozilla Suite) set to refuse all cookies unless I otherwise tell it to accept one. There are enough websites out there that don't require one lick of information to view content. I use those sites, not Oregonlive. If the point of Oregonlive is to get people to subscribe to the Oregonian, then all they really need is a page that says "For news, subscribe now, call 503-whatever."

Another note to the Oregonian: there are people in Portland who also like to know what's going on in Vancouver, not just Clark County residents. Oh, wait, I can view the Columbian's website for free, without registration or providing demographic info.

To anonymous at 9:49:33 AM and co-workers: No offense intended, but please get back to work writing your next "feel-good" article about 'high taxes for the Portland School District so Vicki Phillips can continue to draw a huge salary and waste taxpayer money firing people for no reason.' Or, better yet, why not pound the pavement and write an article about Portland residents who'd like to see Vicki Phillips resign? Now there's an article you don't see everyday!

KOIN: I feel really bad for everyone there, knowing that you don't know who your boss is going to be tomorrow. I'm thinking of what happened when KWJJ and KOTK was sold to Entercom; Entercom sent a list to Fisher of the people they didn't need/want, and Fisher did the firing before Entercom took over the station.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't care who buys KOIN, as long as they reach an agreement with Comcast on the high-defition feed before football season.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know if it's connected but the O has a new business editor. They shipped tho old one off to the sports section.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the ownership of KOIN really matter? I mean really, tv stations aren't much better or worse than they were 10 or 20 years ago. Contents gets a little better than it gets a little worse but it's never really relevant unless the stations are covering a storm or some local natural disaster.

Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ownership matters. You'll notice a difference between certain groups, and that does include content. You should watch FOX stations that are what we call "O & O's"..

Friday, August 26, 2005 12:03:00 AM  
Blogger Betsy said...

Actually, The O's business editor was moved over to resuscitate the sports section, according to rumor (some posted here, I believe.)

The new biz editor was already there - he came on board a few years ago to head up the monday technology section (later morphed into something else.)

The Biz section's also going through its own changes lately - dropping the looong list of stock info (pointing people to internet sites instead) in what's been billed as an effort to free up more space for news.

That's what they're saying, anyway...

And as for local biz coverage - I speculated (in an admittedly wild, freeform fashion) about why PDX's lack of biz coverage might be a reflection of our overall anti-biz attitude over in a MetBlogs post a few weeks ago (yep, it was tied into the Trib's refocusing efforts.)

Friday, August 26, 2005 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Biz section's also going through its own changes lately - dropping the looong list of stock info (pointing people to internet sites instead) in what's been billed as an effort to free up more space for news.

That's what they're saying, anyway...

They're not just saying it, you can see it for yourself. That page has gone into the front of the metro section to accommodate the news they moved from the zoned sections into the main run.

Friday, August 26, 2005 1:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And as to the main question about the makeover to come in September, none of what we've seen so far in Metro or Biz is any part of that, I understand.

Slight design makeover ahead, I've been told, plus a shift to even more sharply focused, tightly local news with plenty of breakouts and info bits to help you use it more quickly and easily. Starts with a totally redone Sunday section and then moves across the paper. Or so they say. Anyone know more?

The Metro stuff was just to deal with staffing issues. The overall suburban newshole might be a little bit smaller, but I guess it means everyone can stop racing to fill space and do better work, and so the night crews can actually do all the work.

Can't hire more people? Then shrink the labor required.

Friday, August 26, 2005 4:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Betsy.

"Actually, The O's business editor was moved over to resuscitate the sports section."
Let me get this straight, the business section sux and they pick the the business editor to "resuscitate" another section.
Well sure. That makes perfect sense. "The new biz editor was already there." But he wasn't promoted for years because the defunct tecchnology section was doing so well.

Jesus, what are you smoking?

Friday, August 26, 2005 7:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

for what it's worth, the o's business section has won several awards as one of the best sections in the country for its size the last few years. so noted by the society of american business editors and writers.

Friday, August 26, 2005 9:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess that explains why readers like the business section so much. The post above could only come from someone at the o's upper management. no one else would know or care about some dumbass insider award. BTW, I looked up the business writers and editors awards and the o did win some but awards were given to 4 or 5 papers in the "large" newpaper division (circulation 250,001 to 375,000). Looks like the odds of winning are about 1 in 4, about the same as a scrtch off lottery ticket. I don't know how many papers qualify for that catagory or how many enter but so friggin' what. Here is one of the comments about the o's business section, "The
general Business section design is very nice." Oh yes. it is very pretty.

Friday, August 26, 2005 11:00:00 PM  
Blogger Betsy said...

Um, Anon 7:15 - I'm just reporting, not editorializing.

I can't comment on the rationale behind the personnel decisions - although others who appear to have closer connections than I do have already done so in comments to previous posts, I believe (that's where the 'reworking the sports section' theory first started.)

Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Ohater said...

Whatever your interest regarding the coming "o" makeover, be assured that it will be the journalist equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. Remember if you will the introduction of the "Weekly" sections several years ago ("A complete community newspaper inside the Oregonian"); there was no change or at least no improvement in content, just a rearranging of the puzzle pieces already there. Prepare for more of the same to be followed by continued falling readership.

Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:01:00 PM  
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